Cpo1944
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I just read S&W was not chosen to advance to the next level of the competition for the Army's new hand gun.
I wonder why and who is still in the race?
I wonder why and who is still in the race?
bad news for S&W
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What has me a bit confused is what Smith & Wesson means when they say, "'We are assessing our options in response to the notification and remain focused on achieving our long-term strategy of organically and inorganically expanding our product offerings in the consumer market for shooting, hunting, and rugged outdoor enthusiasts,' the filing continued."
Organic? Inorganic?
I'm unsure how those terms relate to the manufacture of firearms and associated outdoor equipment. Just sounds like corporate-speak gibberish to me.
What has me a bit confused is what Smith & Wesson means when they say, "'We are assessing our options in response to the notification and remain focused on achieving our long-term strategy of organically and inorganically expanding our product offerings in the consumer market for shooting, hunting, and rugged outdoor enthusiasts,' the filing continued."
Organic? Inorganic?
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Some meager details can be found here. More can be found here.
What has me a bit confused is what Smith & Wesson means when they say, "'We are assessing our options in response to the notification and remain focused on achieving our long-term strategy of organically and inorganically expanding our product offerings in the consumer market for shooting, hunting, and rugged outdoor enthusiasts,' the filing continued."
Organic? Inorganic?I'm unsure how those terms relate to the manufacture of firearms and associated outdoor equipment. Just sounds like corporate-speak gibberish to me.
"Organic" would typically mean expanding opportunities with the products they already have. "Inorganic" usually means new stuff to add to the their market line.
Sounds like a little over-the-top "modern corporate-speak" to me too.Organic? Inorganic?I'm unsure how those terms relate to the manufacture of firearms and associated outdoor equipment. Just sounds like corporate-speak gibberish to me.
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The world of Federal government contracting is very complex and involves a lot of politics, in fact, it's mainly politics. Anyone interested can look up what happened at the time the M9 was adopted. It was ugly. I imagine S&W probably at some point determined that the cards were too far stacked against them and decided to devote their resources to further building the civilian market. I am a veteran of participating in a military pistol selection project for the USAF, and it was not a pleasant exercise. EVERYBODY wanted to stick their nose into it, regardless of how qualified (or unqualified) they were. The pistol project I worked on didn't get too far as the USAF General (actually the USAF Chief of Staff) behind it was relieved from his command for an unrelated incident, and without his pushing it, everything died quickly.
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I TOLD them they should have submitted an updated 4566TSW, but would they listen to me? NOOOOOOO! 
Sounds like a little over-the-top "modern corporate-speak" to me too.
In other words saying something while saying nothing!
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Not at all. Those who use and understand the language of the corporate world know precisely what it means. But most of the public doesn't. For example, all the Nazi hierarchy knew exactly what "relocation to the East" meant. But most Jews and civilians didn't.
I remember reading something about Japan's Emperor Hirohito and his court. The Japanese language used within the imperial court was so stilted in jargon and so strangely stylized that it was completely unintelligible by the ordinary Japanese people. Yet those in the court understood it perfectly. It caused a real communication problem during the postwar American occupation period.
I once had a boss (a USAF Colonel) who spoke in heavy jargon, and I could never tell just what he was saying. There were a few people who understood him and they would have to translate it for me. Often he was saying just the opposite of what I thought he said. I was very happy when he moved on.
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This happens every few years. The last one was about 10 years ago, maybe a little less than that. It's always the same players and the same end result...M9. This happens with the AR as well. The military is too far invested in the AR and the M9 to change anything and whatever new will come along will probably just be added to the armory instead of replacing
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It's poorly written. It's poor communication.
I would imagine that FN has already been selected and the appearance of "competition" is necessary in the process. Sort of advertising a high paying .gov job when they already have the person they want in the job. Joe
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It's true that Beretta is still in the running, but Glock and Sig are still in the game as well. I wouldn't say right now that Beretta has a lock on it. Both are strong contenders, I believe.
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That's what I mean... always the same players. Glock, Sig, Beretta..etc..
Beretta has a new striker and Sig has the 320. Despite the fact that Beretta is the main provider of handguns, the US military still uses Glocks and Sigs
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Organic = New product offering developed inhouse
Inorganic = New product offering from purchasing the company making the product (e.g. Crimson Trace)
Inorganic = New product offering from purchasing the company making the product (e.g. Crimson Trace)
Organic? I'm going to order some pre-29 and Registered Magnum seeds and grow some trees. Can't wait for harvest time.
Sounds like a little over-the-top "modern corporate-speak" to me too.
I feel a "paradigm shift" caused by "thinking outside the box"
My old bossman talked that way too.I feel a "paradigm shift" caused by "thinking outside the box"
Drove me crazy at times. 
His favorite word of all time? 
"Proactive"! 
I know that's going back 10+ years... but it was the number one "in" word for management to use at the time.
He had to use the term at least 100-150 times per day or he wasn't a "proactive" happy camper.
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I kind of see that as a good thing....keeps the governments nose of out S&W's business. Sometimes government contracts go bad and can run a good company into the ground. Besides, I am doing my part to keep them in business!
You have my sympathies if you exist in that world and have to understand their language!
In my world of retirement it is much simpler; daylight, maybe get up; dark maybe go to sleep! If a dark cloud comes over, then nap time!
A transformation change is in order if they want to ratchet up to the next tier and challenge the market forces.
Perhaps they should form a focus group to leverage their synergies and spotlight the added value of their product strengths in a more disambiguous way.
... or they could just bribe someone. That works too...
Perhaps they should form a focus group to leverage their synergies and spotlight the added value of their product strengths in a more disambiguous way.
... or they could just bribe someone. That works too...
