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Around the first of the year my blushing bride was looking for a new carry gun. I took her to a local shop to look at the then-new Remington RM380, and she decided she did n't want it but I should buy it for myself.

I will admit, after wringing it out it replaced my 642 as my EDC. Yesterday as I prepared to leave the house she mentioned again that she wanted something flatter and lighter than her Taurus 85. I showed her the Remington again and the next thing I knew it and my DeSantis Nemesis were in her pocket.

Back to the 642 with no regrets.
 
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I go round and round with my J frames as well, and always come back to them. Here is my situation; I am not a LEO, not involved with security and have no desire to be a one man hero in the event of an active shooter. With that said, if there were an active shooter situation, and I had an opportunity to take them out, I would. But I would not immediately assume the position of a SWAT officer or any other LE first responder. I CCW strictly for personal protection and aspire to the 3-3-3 rule, 3 shots in 3 seconds and at 3 feet. Following that strategy and thinking, the J frame fits the bill. My J frames of choice are the S&W 640 with full magnum loads, (various 125 grain through 158 grain), and the S&W 642 with only Buffalo Bore 158 grain HP's plus P.
I know there will be some that will say "suppose you have multiple attackers"? Well, if there are multiple attackers and they are all or most of them armed, I'm toast regardless of what I am carrying.
Over the decades, I have toted 6" 44 and 357 magnums, full size all steel 1911 and other hi cap 9mm's. with lots of extra ammo to boot. Than I slap myself and say "WHY"??
Than I go back to the J frame with maybe an extra speed strip in my pocket and never feel under gunned.
 
Ah the J frame... I sometimes forget how often I carry one and how handy it is, especially when I've been carrying something else for a while - lately a 65-5 3" because "magnum" and "capacity" and whatever...

A few times a year I think of selling the old 442 to maybe cut the cost of acquiring a new x y or z. I inevitably realize after noodling on it awhile that, when you can't really carry a gun, due to dress or occasion or haste, you can still more often than not can carry a J frame... And then I smile and keep the 442 and often pass on whatever it was that was so pressing I couldn't wait one more paycheck to get it.

It's one of those guns everyone should probably try, at least once; twice if it doesn't take the first time.
 
It's one of those guns everyone should probably try, at least once; twice if it doesn't take the first time.

Yep, I carried a 38-0 everyday for over 11 years. Decided last summer to replace it to avoid the dreaded crack .... ;o) In August 2015 I bought a Ruger LCR in 9mm and made the 38-0 a safe queen, here it is a year later & bought a 649-2. The Airweight Bodyguard and a Colt Agent both went down the road during the winter, the LCR is nice but it just ain't a J-frame :o) I pick up the 649-2 on Thursday.


EDIT to add: After playing with the 649-2 for a while, I'm back to the LCR for EDC. I found the 649-2 had been castrated to DAO and I have been having problems with the trigger reset. I ordered a new set of springs and will play with it more after the Holidays, kinda disappointed that I shoot the LCR so much better :o(
 
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It's one of those guns everyone should probably try, at least once; twice if it doesn't take the first time.

Yep, I carried a 38-0 everyday for over 11 years. Decided last summer to replace it to avoid the dreaded crack .... ;o) In August 2015 I bought a Ruger LCR in 9mm and made the 38-0 a safe queen, here it is a year later & bought a 649-2. The Airweight Bodyguard and a Colt Agent both went down the road during the winter, the LCR is nice but it just ain't a J-frame :o) I pick up the 649-2 on Thursday.

Been tempted to snag a LCR in 9mm due the embarrassing amount of 9mm I've acquired over the last 8 years or so. Out of curiosity, have you tried 9mm +P ammunition in it, and of so can you comment as to whether the cases stick when trying to eject? I was thinking of having a 442 converted to shoot 9mm and was just curious.
 
That was exactly the reason I went with the 9mm LCR, tons of 9mm stashed ... ;o) I have shot roughly 100 +p/+p+, mostly with the moons to check reliability. Nothing has been hard to extract in mine, even without moons they just seem fall right out. It is a great little gun and SWMBO has adopted as an EDC, so it won't be going down the road anytime soon. I just like the J's better ;o)

Edit: The LCR has over 500 total rounds down range, but roughly 100 of those were +p/+p+
 
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Even though I carry a K (just because I shoot them quite a bit better than the J and I'm more comfortable with it) I would never fault anyone for choosing a J. I'm in the camp of a revolver is adequate for the majority of non LEO CCW types - as long as you have shot one enough to hit well with one.
 
I can agree with that DD357, I've been retired for nearly 16 years and don't plan on doing any LEO'n ;o) I also have an 2.25" Sp101 & a 2.75" Speed Six, both in .357 Magnum. My thoughts were maybe the SP101 in the pocket & Speed Six OWB, probably will end up being the 649-2 in my pocket and the SP101 on the belt OWB. I've carried two guns for so long I feel nekkid with only one .... ;o)
 
When I became tired of carrying one or the other of my steel J's (older 649 & 3" 36 in nickel and 2" blued), and after my pair of CA 3" Bulldog 44 3's snubs and SP101DAO 2 1/4" had proven themselves too bulky and heavy for pocket carry ... I ordered my first Airweight J-frame, one of the early 642-1's rated for +P.

After I'd stopped kicking myself for not having owned an Airweight sooner, it quickly became a common off-duty choice. Even as a long time DA revolver shooter and owner of steel 5-shot snubs, though, it took me a couple cases of .38 ammo before I'd developed the skill and confidence to really run the lightweight snub through the same paces as with my larger and/or heavier revolvers.

I grew to really like the Airweights, finding them handy for most carry roles when it came to my needs and preferences.

The lighter PD/Ti/Sc snubs were just a little too light for my tastes, meaning recoil-wise ... until the M&P 340 came along. I picked up my first one (I own a pair of them), thinking of it more or less as an "improved" 642, meaning a stainless (PVD blackened) cylinder, a stronger Scandium aluminum frame and the excellent XS dot front night sight. The .357 Magnum chambering was interesting, but I'd have bought it even if it had only been chambered in .38 Spl +P.

Nowadays I own a pair of 642-1's, a pair of M&P 340's and one of those special run 37-2DAO's (for the canceled off-shore order). I still have some steel J's, but it's the Airweight/M&P's that I find I carry the most often. Handy.

One of the other benefits of a J-frame is being able to run some heavier bullet weights than is possible in my .380's. That can help lend itself to some better potential for both expansion and penetration, depending on some of the more modern bullets offered in the venerable .38 S&W Spl. I mostly run +P in the J's that will handle it (sometimes Magnum in my 340's), and restrict my pristine 37-2DAO to standard pressure 110gr & 125gr JHP's. All of those are heavier bullet weights, and probably similar velocities, as what I generally run in my .380's.

Well, when it comes to that, learning to properly run a DA/DAO revolver, in general, seems to benefit a lot of handgunners, even when shooting pistols. It's harder work to run a DA/DAO revolver (compared to most pistols), and the smaller the revolver, generally the harder the work and more refined skill level seems to be required.

Sure, they generally require a higher level of revolver skill than the heavier & larger revolvers, but the time invested to try and master them pays off in not only making the small 5-shot snubs practical, but in also improving a revolver shooter's abilities with the larger wheelies. ;)

I think I'll pocket (holster) one of my M&P 340's this afternoon, as I'm planning to take one of my motorcycles over the hill and up to my former work area, to stop at my credit union. Then, I'd like to stop by my cigar club and enjoy the afternoon sun, sitting out on the club patio, doing some leisurely people watching and enjoying some congenial conversation ... while doffing my riding jacket and only wearing a T-shirt. :)

I'm still occasionally pondering picking up a 638 sometime, to complement my older .38 Spl 649 Bodyguard. Sometimes when I back out to 45-75yds on the range, having the SA capability is very handy. Otherwise, the bulk of my normal training & practice drills is done DA, whether the gun is DA or DAO. Most courses-of-fire and drills I use are usually done at 3-15yds, but sometimes out to 25yds, all using DA.

Handy little guns, the J-frames. ;)
 
My J frame is a Pre 36 flat latch that works great for summer carry when wearing shorts and a Tee shirt.

I never had a flat latch. If I ever find one local that I can aford, I will buy it. They are so cool looking. I have wanted one for a long time.
 
I carried 2 Js for years. I have been in a constant search for as light and effective carries as I can come up with. When all our guys come tomorrow, we will, as always, compare our carries for the day. I have a set of accurate postal scales on my bench and we weigh them all LOADED. The Js rule for constant carry and effectiveness. I have recently found a lighter and as effective for carry as any of us has found. A Taurus View loaded with 5 rounds of 130 grain FMJ for penetration weigh 11 ounces. A pair of these may be in order for me. Carry a lot..shoot a little. Since we carry every step and shoot every day, this may fill the carry every step part of the equation.
 
I go round and round with my J frames as well, and always come back to them. Here is my situation; I am not a LEO, not involved with security and have no desire to be a one man hero in the event of an active shooter. With that said, if there were an active shooter situation, and I had an opportunity to take them out, I would. But I would not immediately assume the position of a SWAT officer or any other LE first responder. I CCW strictly for personal protection and aspire to the 3-3-3 rule, 3 shots in 3 seconds and at 3 feet. Following that strategy and thinking, the J frame fits the bill. My J frames of choice are the S&W 640 with full magnum loads, (various 125 grain through 158 grain), and the S&W 642 with only Buffalo Bore 158 grain HP's plus P.
I know there will be some that will say "suppose you have multiple attackers"? Well, if there are multiple attackers and they are all or most of them armed, I'm toast regardless of what I am carrying.
Over the decades, I have toted 6" 44 and 357 magnums, full size all steel 1911 and other hi cap 9mm's. with lots of extra ammo to boot. Than I slap myself and say "WHY"??
Than I go back to the J frame with maybe an extra speed strip in my pocket and never feel under gunned.

How does the 640 fire on the range. Recoil wise?
 
I have bought a lot of guns the past couple of years. All of them "Full Size" thinking that I have to have a big gun with lots of capacity. Recently I bought a 640 Pro and have to say, this a real Jewel! IWB is how I will carry it. I think the J frame is an excellent gun no matter which flavor J you decide on.
 

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