Are revolvers going the route of manual transmissions?

[dwever]

This argument is about like arguing bolt action rifles are just as good as semi autos. One word...technology.

Fact is, at a thousand yards, the best rifles are nothing but bolt actions.

A Glock 32 can shoot 90gr bullet @ 1700fps and has muzzle energy of 578ft lbs...or it can shoot a 125gr bullet @ 1475fps and has muzzle energy of 604ft lbs.

Probably not. Once good place to see trends is at Midway USA as they have no less than 130 different variations of 9mm for sale. Checking all of their +P+ and +P, the highest energy was 511 ft. lbs., with most of the +P and +P+ well short of that number.

It is convenient to find an extreme outlier to make a point even though that outlier exceeds maximum load allowable on some plastic 9mm's. But in actual use the energy from these two different loads is dramatic. For example the biggest 9mm Buffalo Bore is +P+ at 451 ft. lbs., (Buffalo Bore Ammo 9mm Luger +P+ 147 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point Box of) while in .357 Magnum Buffalo Bore tops out at 783 Lbs. (Buffalo Bore Ammo 357 Mag 180 Grain Lead Flat Nose Gas Check Box of 20). Those kinds of differences are typical. In American Eagle the .357 is 540 ft. lbs., while the American Eagle 9mm 345 ft. lbs.

However, with self defense I load Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel JHP .357 Magnum at 300 ft. lbs. Plenty potent to get the job done, and not penetrate three walls in the process.

.38 Special vs. 9mm from ballistics101.com "If the shooter can do his part, either round will perform. Both calibers are a fine choice, and each has it's advantages. In a gun fight, the greatest advantage any firearm could possibly encompass, would be 100% no questions asked simplicity and reliability. Well, without any doubt, that advantage belongs to the revolver. Let's face it. Less moving parts + simple design = extreme reliability and easy operation. The revolver will not jam, will not fail to eject a spent cartridge and is far from an "ammo snob". Should you need to call upon your revolver, it will oblige and command immediate respect.

Another issue I should point out just to be fair is this, I would not typically buy a .38 Special for one simple reason, .357 Magnum! Why would I buy a .38 Special when I can have the higher power .357 Magnum and the .38 Special in the same gun? We know there are far better rounds than 9mm or .38 Special but these rounds do have their niche and do excel in those departments. But... if you bring a new variable into the equation, such as 357 Magnum, . . . ."

 

[GypsmJim]

I realize I'm late in this thread, but I do believe that revolvers are obsolete in this day and age. Personally, I only use a revolver for target shooting, personal protection and hunting. For all other venues I use a semi-auto.

 

[BB57]

Another issue I should point out just to be fair is this, I would not typically buy a .38 Special for one simple reason, .357 Magnum! Why would I buy a .38 Special when I can have the higher power .357 Magnum and the .38 Special in the same gun? We know there are far better rounds than 9mm or .38 Special but these rounds do have their niche and do excel in those departments. But... if you bring a new variable into the equation, such as 357 Magnum, . . . ."

.38 Special makes sense in a J-frame where a full power .357 Magnum is a bit painful to shoot.

Otherwise, I'm in total agreement with you.

I put a couple hundred rounds of .38 Special and 50 rounds of .357 Magnum through my Model 66, Model 13 and Model 686+ yesterday after work and in those K and L frame revolvers 50 rounds of .357 Mag wasn't painful, the hundred or so .38+P loads were were pleasant and the 100 or so standard pressure target loads were about as jarring as a .22 rimfire in a a much smaller revolver.

It's nice to have that mild to wild option.

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To be fair, you can do that to an extent with .355 caliber pistol, but you'll have to swap out the recoil spring, and you really don't see that versatility in a single cartridge unless a) you go with a .38 Super were you can shoot .38 ACP or .38 Super.

 

[susieqz]

i'm not sure a good weapon ever becomes obsolete.
in a hundred years, people may be running around with ray guns,
but my model 15 could still kill them.

 

[alwaysoutdoors]

I thought this would be locked already.

 

[Mousermag]

I'm with you. I always say to the semiauto folks, "you bet your life". To maintain proficiency, they'll need periodic range visits to be effective in an emergency situation.

In an interesting youtube video the young man said, paraphrased, if you run 1200 rounds through a revolver (in a combat school he attended over the weekend), it may start to malfunction (like a semiauto will). But most of us old timers are thinking, just need a few rounds on my target and the problem is solved.

Semiautos are fun to shoot and indispensable for military and police use. But personal self defense scenarios for ordinary citizens give revolvers the edge. Powerful, reliable, accurate.

 

[3rdgeargrndrr]

I'd say the last bastion of hope for the second amendment remains an armed citizenry.

There's great deal of irony in this.
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Thus if the anti gun crowd ever succeeds in banning semi-auto pistols, high capacity magazines and evil black rifles, the death tolls in mass shootings won't change - just the weapons used.

It's far more attractive for the anti-gun crowd to blame the weapons than it is to focus on the root causes that lead to people committing violent acts.

Oh, definitely agree on all accounts with your posts. Just saying the iconic revolver shape has been ingrained into the American Psyche with the romanticism of the Wild West, and more recently, the weapons of the hero cop shows of the 70's and 80's. Compared to the Uber Plastic guns of today, revolvers look less machine and more like beautiful art.

Like the cars of today and yesterday too I guess.Maybe its just my eyes, but they all look the same.

Very Hard to demonize art and history, but the Progressives will find a way in time.

And even using a speed strip, i can reload my j frames pretty quick, its all in practice.

Oh, BTW, even automatic cars will be history once autonomous cars are made legal.

 

[Old Arkansawyer]

I have both but even when I carry a semi there is always a wheel gun as a backup. Just as stated above, the only thing required to shot a revolver is to pull the trigger. Most of the time the simple way is best. And as far as auto transmissions in big trucks, some people can drive a big truck and some can steer one.

 

[Ol Sarge]

I can't help but respond to the posts comparing revolvers to standard transmissions and auto-loaders to automatic transmissions. The one thing I love more than guns is cars. I have 9 and 2 motorcycles. My 1932 Chevy is a 3 speed stick. It shifts today as well as it did 84 years ago. My 1956 Chevy Nomad has a new 6-speed stick. It performs as well as any automatic. My daughter's 2003 Blazer transmission crapped out on her this week and the cost of repair is more than the value of the car. There are advantages to both revolvers and auto as well as stick shifts and automatic transmissions. But, when it comes to durability and longevity I'll take the stick shift and the revolver.

 

[Drm50]

Strictly supply & Demand. New generation of shooters are into
the Para military stuff they see on movies & games. Revolvers
are more expensive to manufacture. Companies make bigger
bottom line with autos. The best insurance you can get against
car thieves is a manual tranny, most thieves are not smart enough to drive one. In the guns and accessory lines, there are
few products for the traditional Hunter. All the hype is CCW,
preppers, ect. That is were the money is, so that's what we get.

 

[LDThornton]

I'd buy the one that you'd be less likely to accidently shoot yourself with......the revolver.

 

[Stopsign32v]

I'd buy the one that you'd be less likely to accidently shoot yourself with......the revolver.

Learn proper and basic gun safety and you are fine with either.

 

[LDThornton]

Learn proper and basic gun safety and you are fine with either.

Of course that is true but in today's world where common sense isn't common which would you want your wife, mother, daughter, sister, or son to own. I'm fine with either but what about the BIL who can't seem to keep his finger out of the trigger guard standing 10 feet away? How safe would you feel if they all were holding semi auto pistols? It would be a disaster waiting to happen. IMHO

 

[Stopsign32v]

Of course that is true but in today's world where common sense isn't common which would you want your wife, mother, daughter, sister, or son to own. I'm fine with either but what about the BIL who can't seem to keep his finger out of the trigger guard standing 10 feet away? How safe would you feel if they all were holding semi auto pistols? It would be a disaster waiting to happen. IMHO

I can't control other people nor do other people matter in what I buy.

 

[ParadiseRoad]

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[Stopsign32v]

LMAO! Slighty.....slightly dangerous.

 

[Ranger1960]

Revolver vs semiauto ..... I'm happy that the 2nd Amendment protects the owner(s) of either camp to own and carry whichever they prefer. This is a personal preference. It's like someone saying "I prefer blondes" and subsequently implying brunettes are inferior. Hey, some days I prefer blondes and some days I prefer brunettes. I say it's all good.

 

[gwpercle]

Wouldn't it be awesome if we were further connected to our cars by having to hand crank the engine to start?



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I'm going to show my age , I actually drove a car that had a hand crank. It had been updated with an electric starter , but we would hand crank it , just to show off.
My best friends grandfather owned it , a very old 1920's Pontiac. He drove it from Meridian Mississippi to Baton Rouge , La. . Spent six weeks visiting during the summer and we went everywhere in that car. He would let us boys drive , with the warning "don't tell your mamma" , as if we would do that ! What a summer that was. He drove back to Miss. and had no break downs. The next summer we rode the bus and stayed with him , he taught us about farm life.
Gary

 

[TAC]

Wouldn't it be awesome if we were further connected to our cars by having to hand crank the engine to start?

When the battery is dead, yes, it would be really awesome!

 

[ParadiseRoad]

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