Using the S&W Governor as a self defense weapon ?

Just curious, what's the thought process behind the loads?

Because I can. It's a hallway gun. 20-25 feet max. They'll all go in the ten ring with purpose at that distance. I stage it so the triple disc comes out first. Only thing that gives me trouble is I have to put the two ACP's in a row . . .
 
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Because I can. It's a hallway gun. 20-25 feet max. They'll all go in the ten ring with purpose at that distance. I stage it so the triple disc comes out first. Only thing that gives me trouble is I have to put the two ACP's in a row . . .

Interesting. Why do you have to put two 45 ACP in a row? Design? And what's up with the triple disk thing? Is it a hard hitting round?
 
Interesting. Why do you have to put two 45 ACP in a row? Design? And what's up with the triple disk thing? Is it a hard hitting round?

think the reason is the 45 ACP's have to use a moon clip because the case is shoulder less .. and the clips come either in a full 6 shot moon clip or a 2 shot partial moon clip .. so you have to load the 45's in multiples of 2 or 6 according to which clip you have .. they come with both and are pretty cheap .. least believe that is the reason(s) ..
 
think the reason is the 45 ACP's have to use a moon clip because the case is shoulder less .. and the clips come either in a full 6 shot moon clip or a 2 shot partial moon clip .. so you have to load the 45's in multiples of 2 or 6 according to which clip you have .. they come with both and are pretty cheap .. least believe that is the reason(s) ..

This ^ ^ ^ ^. As for the triple disc, it's an interesting option to the 000 buckshot rounds . . .
 
Good lying around the house pistol. I've got two ACP, a slug, a triple copper disc, and two Long Colt in mine. As for the naysayers, and there will be plenty, I know I don't want to get shot with it . . .

Sure would seem to make a ballistics analysis, or maybe coroner's analysis interesting, but I really know nothing about that except from TV, movies, and internet discussion !
 
The issue with 410 out of a handgun is the lack of velocity behind all that potentially useful buckshot. Buckshot's light weight means that if you take enough heat off it, it can start to fail, and you might be throwing large numbers of less than effective projectiles. I've never said for sure that the 410 handgun is without merit, but criticism's of it certainly do have merit as well.

As for the discs, I'd say they are completely and utterly in every single way inferior to round ball in reality. Ball and buckshot are virtually even, meaning they resist tumbling and even if they tumble in terminal performance, they are guaranteed to crush nearly identical cavities every time; the short flat disc runs the risk of flipping and presenting a least surface of resistance crush path which can actually minimize its effectiveness, i.e. you shoot a quarter at someone expecting it to crush a quarter size crush cavity but instead it flips sideways and instead cuts a disc path through that does very poor damage, and very little cavitation.

tl;dr Ball and long conical resist flipping at best in terminal ballistics, or in many cases can take advantage of it, whilst the short conical disk is at high risk of being flipped from its most destructive trajectory and face to the least. We don't even have to get into the lack of weight, and obviously it not only suffers from lack of sectional density but also stability.

If you are going to shoot 410 for multiple projectiles, 000 buckshot would appear to be the choice, and copper discs are a very poor choice.
 
My wife likes my 686

"I've thought of getting a Governor for a varmint gun living here out in the country and for a defensive gun that my wife could use also if needed"


I get quite a few women in pistol classes. Half of them that bring a gun start the conversation with "XXXX bought this gun for me and I hate it." If she likes shooting a large hard kicking gun as her first handgun, she is very unusual. And the implication that it will somehow make up for no training and poor shooting is a common myth; it won't.

A large gun is easier for her to control without a lot of practice since she doesn't shoot that often. She also prefers revolvers, which I think is wise. As for the HD role, it's as good as any. As a camp/trail gun, it would be very versatile whether defense or a varminter. It's like a .500 S&W. If you want one, that's great and if it does a good job for you then that's even better.
 
I do not own either one. I am a revolver guy but these 410/45 from Taurus and Smith seem out of balance with the extra long cylinders.
And just my opinion, both are ugly.
 
Sorry, I missed out on this thread. Where did the skeptics go? Usually this topic brings much controversy. I load mine with 3 Federal 000 buck followed by 3 Lehigh Maximum Expansion modified .45 rounds made expressly for the Governor/Judge. The silence against the Governor on this thread is really quite disconcerting ?? I feel like I'm whispering.
 
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As for the discs, I'd say they are completely and utterly in every single way inferior to round ball in reality. Ball and buckshot are virtually even, meaning they resist tumbling and even if they tumble in terminal performance, they are guaranteed to crush nearly identical cavities every time; the short flat disc runs the risk of flipping and presenting a least surface of resistance crush path which can actually minimize its effectiveness, i.e. you shoot a quarter at someone expecting it to crush a quarter size crush cavity but instead it flips sideways and instead cuts a disc path through that does very poor damage, and very little cavitation.

tl;dr Ball and long conical resist flipping at best in terminal ballistics, or in many cases can take advantage of it, whilst the short conical disk is at high risk of being flipped from its most destructive trajectory and face to the least. We don't even have to get into the lack of weight, and obviously it not only suffers from lack of sectional density but also stability.

If you are going to shoot 410 for multiple projectiles, 000 buckshot would appear to be the choice, and copper discs are a very poor choice.

Of course, nobody wants to reality test your theory about copper discs by standing at the end of my 20 foot hallway at 3 am, do they? I'll load all six the same for a valid evaluation . . .
 
I don't know much about these guns. What size throats does he governor have? How much jump does a 45 Colt bullet make before entering the throat? What's the bore diameter on them? What size slugs/balls are in the handgun defense loads for .410?
 
Before you go run out and buy one watch this:

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlry5KH6I0[/ame]

I understand it's a judge but it gives you an idea of the power of a 410 out of a short barrel. Hickok went to 00 buck before it would even penetrate a piece of thin air duct tubing at 7 yards. The spread on 00 buck at 7 yards is about a foot wide meaning any distance beyond that would result in praying that one hits the target.

Would it be good for varmints? Potentially but it's nothing I would want to bet my life on.

I would buy a small 38 special before I would buy this, unless the person shooting it is a horrible shot and needs that wide spread to hit anything ;)
 
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Good lying around the house pistol. I've got two ACP, a slug, a triple copper disc, and two Long Colt in mine. As for the naysayers, and there will be plenty, I know I don't want to get shot with it . . .

I wouldn't want to get shot with a pellet gun either, but it would be my last choice to use if someone broke in my house.

Why the assortment of cartridges? Unsure of which will actually do the job?
 
It could suffice as a self-defense weapon, but the same can be said about pretty much any handgun. There are much better choices available. When there are as many naysayers(including nearly every professional defensive shooting instructor) as there are regarding the Governor(and Taurus Judge), I think it wise to take notice as there are likely very good reasons for the opposition even if you don't understand it.

I don't know about "naysayers, including nearly every professional shooting instructor", that seems a bit outlandish. I have seen many whom endorse the .410/.45 revolver as well as ballistics tests that illustrate its lethality. The Judge/Governor originally received poor reviews due to improper choices in ammunition during their conception. Fast forward to 2016 and there are a myriad of potent self defense platform loads available for these revolvers.
 
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I have the Taurus Judge and love it. Bird shot is fine for snakes and scaring varmints but for anything else #4 buck is the minimum. They make plenty of loads designed for handguns including Hornady Critical Defense 410 Triple Defense. It starts with a 41 caliber FTX Slug followed by two 35 caliber round balls T 750 fps and 294 ft-lb. I don't think you want to get hit with that. And that's only the 2.5" round. There are many other rounds designed for a handgun that are shown in many YouTube videos. The Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion comes to mind as being almost as long as the 410 shells and expands to almost an inch. You really need to watch the YouTube video. There are many other great loads featured on YouTube as well so before you make your decision, get all the facts. Mine is a blast to shoot and everyone that I let shoot mine thinks so too. Including a young lady.
 
Before you go run out and buy one watch this:

The Judge - YouTube

I understand it's a judge but it gives you an idea of the power of a 410 out of a short barrel. Hickok went to 00 buck before it would even penetrate a piece of thin air duct tubing at 7 yards. The spread on 00 buck at 7 yards is about a foot wide meaning any distance beyond that would result in praying that one hits the target.

Would it be good for varmints? Potentially but it's nothing I would want to bet my life on.

I would buy a small 38 special before I would buy this, unless the person shooting it is a horrible shot and needs that wide spread to hit anything ;)

Wouldn't use buckshot for a self defense round .. but the self defense rounds he shot looked like they did very well and grouping was better then I though at 7 yards .. 4 rounds the equivalent of a 32 round hitting someone at the same time in a group the size of a softball .. I would think a couple of rounds of that on target would do the job ..
 
I was lucky enough to find a barely used Governor. The double action is one of the smoothest I've seen in a production gun. Definitely a lot lighter than my other midsized Smith & Wesson .45. Of course, the best scenario would be the sight of 6 big holes bringing proceedings to a quiet halt.
 
I hope you got a great deal on your governor.

I wouldn't have one.

So many better choices for sd.

Too big for what it can do.

Doesn't do anything well.
 
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