Trail Boss and jacketed bullets are a no go

[TAROMAN]

Thought everyone who loads TB Knew that.
Apparently not.

Stopped by a local gunsmith's's shop this afternoon.
He showed me a Uberti 1851 Richards Mason barrel.
Owner brought it in, said it was jammed.
Sure was, 9 bullets in the barrel, and the 10th one jammed the forcing cone locking it up.
The clown actually reloaded and kept firing!

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

So why was the barrel made into a cut away? And why are the cut away edges blued? Something just doesn't add up to me. I will be checking back to this thread for any responses.

Ivan

 

[TAROMAN]

It does add up.
Not blued, its the lighting.
I imaged this today with my cellphone, not the best camera.
Todd, a master machinist milled the barrel as there was no means to clear it.
What other problems do you have with my trutfulness?

So why was the barrel made into a cut away? And why are the cut away edges blued? Something just doesn't add up to me. I will be checking back to this thread for any responses.

Ivan

 

[Nemo288]

OK.
Details.
What was the load?
TB can't be blamed if the load did not create enough fps (pressure).
I have shot many TB loads with jacketed bullets in 44 spl and never had a stuck bullet.
I always aim for at LEAST 650 fps.
700+ preferred.
Admittedly I shoot these in a 696 which has a 3" barrel.
Never heard of the ban on jacketed with Trail Boss.
Riflemen use it all the time for reduced loads.
I'm with Ivan.
Something is missing here.
And NO I am not accusing Taro of anything. He is a genuine member I respect.
I am quite willing to admit it all happened that way.
Just want the facts Ma'am.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

No offense was intended to Taroman. There is something that isn't adding up, from the info and picture given. However it started, the shooter sure messed up that gun. There should have been massive cylinder gap gassing on the second and greater shots! Makes me speculate that Trail Boss was used in the volume of a Bullseye load, or some similar mistake.

Ivan

 

[daverich4]

IMR says Trail Boss was designed primarily for lead bullets but works well with jacketed bullets as well and lists a number of loads on their web site for jacketed bullets.

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf

 

[kenjen]

looks more like operater error to me, reguardless of what powder or bullet used.

 

[4barrel]

There was a 686 with 6 bullets stacked a few years ago that didnt blow up. Seems I saw it in this forum. You got to have enough gas to get to where you are going. Beginners luck. Is that barrel a smooth bore?

 

[Rule3]

What caliber is/was it?

I doubt Trailboss alone was the cause or issue

 

[ArchAngelCD]

IMR says Trail Boss was designed primarily for lead bullets but works well with jacketed bullets as well and lists a number of loads on their web site for jacketed bullets.

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf

It seems Hodgdon removed the restrictions on using anything butler bullets with Trail Boss but for many years from its release on there was a strong warning against using Trail Boss with jacketed bullets.

BUT... I doubt TB caused this problem or at least 8 of the 9 bullets were nothing more than shooter error. Really now, how can anyone not know the bullet is not leaving the barrel, especially 9 times?

 

[Nemo288]

I stuck a bullet just once.
The sound of the round was so different (there is a reason they call them mouse farts) I stopped to take a look.
Glad I did.
The bullet was half way into the barrel throat.
It went far enough in I could turn the cylinder.
Next shot would have been a disaster even though it was a Redhawk.
I still get the sweats thinking about it.
The round was a fairly old (like 20 years) ball powder load.
I tore the rest down and found the powder had congealed into a mass.
One reason I have mostly sworn off ball powder at least in cylindrical brass.
Looking at the bullet you can see where the base has expanded due to the forces on it.
I do now believe that (some) jacketed bullets will obturate given enough kick.
See group that miraculously closes up with another half grain of powder at the top end of pressure.

 

[BuckeyeS&W]

I've loaded Jacketed 240 gr. bullets with Trail Boss and shot them out of my 6 1/2" 629-3 Classic with no problems. Had a lot of fun doing so .

 

[Nevada Ed]

NINE BULLETS ...........................!!!

No holes in a target or at least dust being kicked up in all those shots ............
with out a notice?

Here's your sign.

 

[bigedp51]

1. Why is the rear cylinder end of the Uberti 1851 closed in the photo?
2. Why can't you see any rifling?
3. How many of you are gullible?

I shoot jacketed bullets all the time when fireforming cases in my .303 Enfield rifles using Trail Boss. I use .312 100 grain pistol bullets to form these cases. And I do not have to worry about double charges with pistol or shotgun powders.

And on top of this Hodgdon's has loading data for jacketed bullets and I have even used Trail Boss in my .223.

The funny part is pulling the trigger and then hearing the bullet hit the target a second later.

 

[Rule3]

There is data for reduced big arse rifle jacketed bullets??

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf

 

[ageingstudent]

BUT... I doubt TB caused this problem or at least 8 of the 9 bullets were nothing more than shooter error. Really now, how can anyone not know the bullet is not leaving the barrel, especially 9 times?

I saw a guy stick 3 .38s in a new short barreled .357. The the third one locked it up. He claimed the gun was defective and he was taking it back to the lgs. I told him I thought it was a good idea.

I was surprised the gun didn't come apart. I think it was a Tarus. He just kept pulling the trigger. I think the loads were super weak. I bet his brother-in-law probably loaded them. I don't like my brother-in-law.

 

[MichiganScott]

I don't see jackets. All I see is lead. The bullet closest to the muzzle looks like a cylinder of lead, not a round nose like the remainder.

 

[mikld]

Yep, glad I didn't know I couldn't shoot jacketed bullets over Trail Boss, but why did the 60-80 rounds of 240 gr JHPs propelled by Trail Boss work in my M92 Puma?

I too have questions about the appearance of the "bullets" stuck in the barrel...

 

[DWalt]

I also am highly suspicious of what I see.

 

[Ceapea]

Approximately every 6 to 8 months, a similar thread pops up on different forums. Sometimes slightly different pictures, sometimes the exact same picture is used. I call BS on all of them. Well, I guess that it must have happened the one time anyway. But then again, it could have been done for demonstration purposes. But why???
It's like the blown up cylinder on the 44 (or 45?) revolver that shows the surrounding cartridges that have blown up too. Sure, it probably happened...once! But every so often, someone posts the same pic saying "my friend just did this! He is one lucky ....".
Right!