JCR575
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New goodies for my FBI 1076s
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FBI 1076
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New goodies for my FBI 1076s
Nice accoutrements for the pair!
I'm curious about your holsters, about 15 years ago I was researching the holster for FBI's use of the 1076, was told that the Safariland 5181 like the one on the right in your pic was correct, I see your other has the thumb/hammer strap. It was my understanding at the time that the one on the right was correct, did they issue both versions??
I use mine with my M4586's on occasion, not as secure feeling as an IWB so it doesn't get used much, but it's a cool holster.. Mine is marked 5181 2096 and also is stamped 1076.
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dacoontz
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JCR575,
Well, that just doubled the amount of 15 rounders posted in this thread. What a score.
Well, that just doubled the amount of 15 rounders posted in this thread. What a score.
JCR575
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Nice accoutrements for the pair!
I'm curious about your holsters, about 15 years ago I was researching the holster for FBI's use of the 1076, was told that the Safariland 5181 like the one on the right in your pic was correct, I see your other has the thumb/hammer strap. It was my understanding at the time that the one on the right was correct, did they issue both versions??
I use mine with my M4586's on occasion, not as secure feeling as an IWB so it doesn't get used much, but it's a cool holster.. Mine is marked 5181 2096 and also is stamped 1076.
Thanks
Interesting information about the holsters you mentioned.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/member...holsters-for-s-and-w-model-1076-and-more.html
I hope the link works. DMC8163 has a picture gallery of FBI holsters. I have 2 of the 5181 and 1 of the 518. I think they are cool holsters as well.
OK, I'll need to set the record straight..... Old age and memory isn't what it used to be, and I didn't dig far enough into my holster box
. When I posted about the 5181, something wasn't right about it (I had pulled it out of my holster box) as the area covering the end of the barrel just had more material (from the muzzle back) than I remembered. So, after looking at the pic in that gallery, I climbed back up in my storage and pulled the box out, dug deeper, and lo-and-behold found my 5183, also marked for the 1076, this one is the one I was talking about when I had researched it. I looked all over and found it at a Police supply house in Salt Lake City (they only had one), and bought it. I liked it a lot due to the "less material" and almost competition like coverage at the end of the slide (less is more).
I'll need to take a pic and post of the two, the 5183 is the one I now remember as being the correct one, but who knows, there were probably many in use due to supplier production/stocking issues (?)
The material is less in all areas, less at the muzzle, no hammer/thumb break, and the two sides up at the top are lower than the 5181, very competition like, i.e., IPSC Race gun style.
FWIW
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And......
Need to say that I should have not got rid of my two 15 round magazines years back. They are just too hard to find, and the prices have skyrocked recently...
At least I know where one still is, and he's a good friend, should I ask hard enough I could prolly get it back...
Need to say that I should have not got rid of my two 15 round magazines years back. They are just too hard to find, and the prices have skyrocked recently...
At least I know where one still is, and he's a good friend, should I ask hard enough I could prolly get it back...
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Fact.
As a Trooper (Virginia), my first issued auto was the long slide 1076. Agents at the time got the short gun which is the same as the FBI gun. We turned them in several years later when we switched to Sigs so those must be floating around out there somewhere.
We could buy ours when they got turned in and yes... I was an idiot and didn't get mine.
We got called in shortly after issue to have them gone over by Smith armorers. While we stood there, they removed and replaced several parts of the fire control and dimpled under the decocker to show that the mod had been done. Gentle requests for info as to "why" were equally gently rebuffed.
I never heard of any of our guns locking up but we did have a little transition learning curve of short recoil FTF and stovepipes. I understand that the FBI was shooting a cartridge that was not full house 10mm and if the FBI did it we did too. Between that and we had the long barreled guns (and I suspect a lot of the troops who'd been shooting our six guns with +P 158gr SWHP were breaking their wrists in recoil) was what our problems were.
Our first Sigs were 9mm and now we have .357 sig.... almost seems like we should have stuck with the 10 and just fired full power loads.
TG
James&theGiant1911
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The .357 Sig is a massively better firearm, I own a 1076 and really do not understand the fascination with that firearm. I own a Shorty 40 which is massively better than the 10mm round 1076. Not only that any tactical and Lew Horton edition 3rd gen is also massively better. I do not see myself selling my particular 1076 since it has a Novak trigger job and shoots really well.
Maybe it is FBI status or maybe the gun has a cult following. Either way there are lots of better carry firearms out there and I carry Sigs as I really do not want to lose my prime 3rd gens and while the 1076 is one of them. They are not the best 3rd gen ever made.
Maybe it is FBI status or maybe the gun has a cult following. Either way there are lots of better carry firearms out there and I carry Sigs as I really do not want to lose my prime 3rd gens and while the 1076 is one of them. They are not the best 3rd gen ever made.
BUFF
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You have to keep time in perspective. When the FBI 10mm Auto deal was going on, there was no .40 S&W cartridge. There was no .357 Sig cartridge. For law enforcement, there was 9mm and .45 ACP.
I doubt anybody in this thread sees the 1076 and the 10mm Auto as the be-all and end-all for a carry gun these days, law enforcement or citizen. Sure, it would work, but it's not the solution to anybody's current needs except for us S&W fans, most likely, as a historical footnote and an interesting piece of the recent past.
I doubt anybody in this thread sees the 1076 and the 10mm Auto as the be-all and end-all for a carry gun these days, law enforcement or citizen. Sure, it would work, but it's not the solution to anybody's current needs except for us S&W fans, most likely, as a historical footnote and an interesting piece of the recent past.
CBus660R
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For me, the 10xx series represents the 1st credible 10mm that you can shoot (the Bren Ten is strictly a collector piece/safe queen). Also, since it is built strong, you can play around with full power loads unlike what you can do with some of the other options. When I picked my 1076 up, my options were a 1911, EAA Witness, or Glock. 2 of the 3 have/had a bit of a reputation for not liking hot loads like Underwood, Buffalo Bore, and handloads. The 3rd is either a love it or hate it proposition. I've just never gelled with Glocks and since I got my 1076 for less than what a G20 was going for, it made the decision very easy. I don't think too many are arguing that a 1076 is the be all end all in the pistol world, especially for EDC. Its sorta like having a nice '57 Chevy in the garage. You wouldn't daily drive it and it isn't as good as a '16 Chevy Impala in any practical sort of way, but it's cool and nice to own and enjoy.
When I spotted this Kentucky State Police 1076 in my LGS, I picked it up and never handed it back. I had to have it. I actually like it a lot. I'll have to look for the slide block as mentioned further up, but I'm most certain it is not stamped with the "capable of firing without magazine" label. The front of the trigger guard is checkered and it has Trijicon night sights. It came with straight backed grips on it, I put the Hogues on it from a 1006 I used to own. I prefer the 1076 over the 1006 myself.
Trijicon said they will re-lamp them for $54, if I send them my slide. I will do it someday ......... they still glow a bit.
Trijicon said they will re-lamp them for $54, if I send them my slide. I will do it someday ......... they still glow a bit.
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JCR575
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I recently purchased a 1076 that I really did not know much about besides it has been polished and did include the original grip. I am quite the distance from my FFL so I have asked for pictures of the handgun and grip.
So handgun looks great and bonus was a palm swell grip. I had noticed in the grip picture at the bottom was what looks to be a S&W box so I text friend at the gun shop to see if my 1076 came in the factory box. He said yes box, no serial label. I finally get to my FFL yesterday to fill out paperwork and yes very nice 1076 and was very surprised to see that it has all the FBI features including the U stamp under trigger guard, night sights, no mag safety, and palm swell grip. The serial number is in the FBI range. I pick up the box to find the end label torn off the box, I turn it to look at the other end and there is the serial label I have seen before that had not been noticed by my friend.
I am very happy. I will update with S&W letter request results. Have a great holiday season.
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So handgun looks great and bonus was a palm swell grip. I had noticed in the grip picture at the bottom was what looks to be a S&W box so I text friend at the gun shop to see if my 1076 came in the factory box. He said yes box, no serial label. I finally get to my FFL yesterday to fill out paperwork and yes very nice 1076 and was very surprised to see that it has all the FBI features including the U stamp under trigger guard, night sights, no mag safety, and palm swell grip. The serial number is in the FBI range. I pick up the box to find the end label torn off the box, I turn it to look at the other end and there is the serial label I have seen before that had not been noticed by my friend.
I am very happy. I will update with S&W letter request results. Have a great holiday season.
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The_Truth
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I'm so very excited! I just picked up TFE1599 for a trade +cash deal.
I did some research on this pistol TFE1599 and my goal was to figure out which police agency bought this gun originally. It's confirmed by S&W that this gun is NOT an FBI gun unfortunately, but they did tell me that it was shipped to Virginia on 6/20/1990. They wouldn't tell me which agency though. In fact, the guy wouldn't really give me much info at all except the ship date and I had to ask a few questions to get the info that I did get.
Is there any way to get provenance for this gun now that Mr. Jinks is not doing letters anymore? I've been searching for a VSP gun for over 2 years, so if this gun turns out to be one of those pistols I would be absolutely ELATED!
I did some research on this pistol TFE1599 and my goal was to figure out which police agency bought this gun originally. It's confirmed by S&W that this gun is NOT an FBI gun unfortunately, but they did tell me that it was shipped to Virginia on 6/20/1990. They wouldn't tell me which agency though. In fact, the guy wouldn't really give me much info at all except the ship date and I had to ask a few questions to get the info that I did get.
Is there any way to get provenance for this gun now that Mr. Jinks is not doing letters anymore? I've been searching for a VSP gun for over 2 years, so if this gun turns out to be one of those pistols I would be absolutely ELATED!
The_Truth
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JCR, I could be wrong, but I am almost positive that gun with the polished slide is a Virginia State Police gun. I believe there is a matching 1026 out there somewhere too from the same original owner.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
The_Truth
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Sorry for the triple post, I'm very excited. TFE1599 has been confirmed to be a Chesterfield VA Police gun. Now I just need the letter saying so 
JCR575
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The Truth
Mr.Jinks is still researching the Letters of Authenticity. I have received my letter request back from him in under 3 weeks. I had a good idea that the polished 1076 was in fact an FBI gun because I can see through the used gun label to the original label which states FBI in the features area. I do have my letter to confirm and I am a happy camper too.
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Mr.Jinks is still researching the Letters of Authenticity. I have received my letter request back from him in under 3 weeks. I had a good idea that the polished 1076 was in fact an FBI gun because I can see through the used gun label to the original label which states FBI in the features area. I do have my letter to confirm and I am a happy camper too.
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The_Truth
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Thanks JCR, and congratulations! PM inbound
James&theGiant1911
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Boy not to rain on your rainbow parades BUT every 1076 produced probably from some time or another ended up in an Armory whether the FBI returned them to Smith and Wesson and they then sent/ sold them to other LEO distributors or dealers. My gun was an armory gun along with a lot of yours. Just because they sent them to the FBI does not mean it was issued and/ or ever put into service. A 1076 is a great firearm, I love mine a lot but they are not a Performance Center gun nor as good as whatever you all are smoking to have a drool fest over.
James&theGiant1911
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I don't really care, and if some of you all are the ones throwing them on auctions sites, which I suspect you are then more power to you. Third gens are bringing crazy prices but this gun is not a Wilson or a Nighthawk. I have a 1076 cause I loved the gun and wanted it not because I wanted to sell it and make 2-3 times my money back. This drives prices up within these firearms which are already pegged out.
I am not whining glad I bought them when I did but this artificial pushing of prices of third gens makes me hold on to the ones I have, and all my new gun purchases have been premium customs and Sigs. It is sad that this is what the 3rd generation pistols have turned into.
The_Truth
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. It's as simple as looking for a toy in the bottom of a Cracker Jack box, except now it's transferred into looking for our favorite weapon, only a little more special version of it. I love these guns because the history is pure awesomeness. The 10mm round itself is pure awesomeness, and the way it went from invention, to the freakin' FBI!!!!, then back down to nothing is something that can't be said about many pistol calibers as effective as 10mm.
You can argue until you're blue in the face, it won't change the fact that this market exists, and it won't change the fact that people will always love these guns. They are truly special. They aren't meant to be target custom guns. They are special because of their time and place in the world, and because they were so short lived despite being arguably some of the best pistols ever made. The story of the FBI adoption of 10mm is cool as hell, and if you don't think so I'll bet you're the same type of person that when you were a kid you went around telling all your friends that Santa wasn't real. Those of us who knew better didn't care, and you didn't ruin anything for us - we just sat back and wondered how your life could be so miserable that you needed to poke holes in something you didn't even understand to begin with.
Tell me a TEU- prefix 1076 isn't special and I'll tell you you're wrong.
Heck, I've been shopping for over 2 years for a 1076 but I wanted a particular one - a Virginia State Police issued 1076 - and I have found a grand total of THREE of them in that 2 year period, and 1 of them had a polished slide. Once I find the right VSP gun it will bring me great happiness to finally own it because it's special. You can't get on gunbroker and find one much less go to a storefront and find one. That's what's cool about it. I just bought my first 1076 TODAY, and it wasn't a VSP gun. It was damn close though. I really thought I had found one. I didn't find the VSP gun but Chesterfield VA is 10 minutes from me, so that's good enough to be my first.
You can argue until you're blue in the face, it won't change the fact that this market exists, and it won't change the fact that people will always love these guns. They are truly special. They aren't meant to be target custom guns. They are special because of their time and place in the world, and because they were so short lived despite being arguably some of the best pistols ever made. The story of the FBI adoption of 10mm is cool as hell, and if you don't think so I'll bet you're the same type of person that when you were a kid you went around telling all your friends that Santa wasn't real. Those of us who knew better didn't care, and you didn't ruin anything for us - we just sat back and wondered how your life could be so miserable that you needed to poke holes in something you didn't even understand to begin with.
Tell me a TEU- prefix 1076 isn't special and I'll tell you you're wrong.
Heck, I've been shopping for over 2 years for a 1076 but I wanted a particular one - a Virginia State Police issued 1076 - and I have found a grand total of THREE of them in that 2 year period, and 1 of them had a polished slide. Once I find the right VSP gun it will bring me great happiness to finally own it because it's special. You can't get on gunbroker and find one much less go to a storefront and find one. That's what's cool about it. I just bought my first 1076 TODAY, and it wasn't a VSP gun. It was damn close though. I really thought I had found one. I didn't find the VSP gun but Chesterfield VA is 10 minutes from me, so that's good enough to be my first.
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