Careful out there...

[deadear dan]

Just got home from work. I worked in neuro ICU today (respiratory therapist) and helped transport a patient for a CT scan who sustained a GSW to the head last night. From the looks of the bullet it was a small calibre but unfortunately did the damage. Lights were on but nobody was home. So sad watching the huge group of family and friends filtering into his room and spilling into the lobby with blank looks of disbelief and pain.
This must have been close range as it was a forehead entrance. Distance is your friend when it comes to confrontations. It also gives me thoughts on what and how to carry. I can discreetly have my hand on my 640-1 in my front pocket in any number of scenarios. This gives a valuable advantage over my Glock 36 on my hip.
Stuff happens. Careful out there.

 

[tops]

It also gives me thoughts on what and how to carry. I can discreetly have my hand on my 640-1 in my front pocket in any number of scenarios. This gives a valuable advantage over my Glock 36 on my hip.
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Good thinking!! Larry

 

[shouldazagged]

That's part of why I carry a 640 no-dash and have for years.

 

[Wise_A]

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You guys realize we're not trying to kill, right? Like, the first and only goal is instant incapacitation.

 

[tug700]

Now I can tell you what happened to a friend of my doing rotations in ER. A gentleman walks in with a headache. Upon examination, an entry wound was found in the forehead and an exit wound in the back of the head.
Since the person was talking, BP normal, everything checks out fine; my friend releases him thinking the bullet followed the skull and exited without entering the brain cavity. Well, 4 hours later, the ambulance brought the same man in and he was in his final minutes. Autopsy shows a straight through the head wound.

 

[AlHunt]

Now I can tell you what happened to a friend of my doing rotations in ER. A gentleman walks in with a headache. Upon examination, an entry wound was found in the forehead and an exit wound in the back of the head.
Since the person was talking, BP normal, everything checks out fine; my friend releases him thinking the bullet followed the skull and exited without entering the brain cavity. Well, 4 hours later, the ambulance brought the same man in and he was in his final minutes. Autopsy shows a straight through the head wound.

I think your friend didn't understand how bullets work...

 

[Wise_A]

Bullets will actually do that, but I'd have a hard time believing they would miss entry/exit holes in the skull, or let him go without imaging the skull.

 

[pittpa]

I think your friend didn't understand how bullets work...

I'm guessing he had no insurance. They'll fine him for that. Anywhere else, you bump your dead, they keep you for observation.


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[Muss Muggins]

Unfortunately, for HUMANS the minimum proper caliber is .357 or greater.

Or perhaps .22LR to the head...THAT might produce a "lights on nobody home" result, but I've also seen people shot CLEAN THROUGH the head with round nose .38 Spl that suffered ZERO neurological impairment!

It may surprise you know that, statistically speaking, more people are killed with .22 LR than any other pistol caliber . . .

 

[rwsmith]

I 'liked' this.....

Yeah, I was an ICU Nurse for a few decades. Saw plenty of GSW's and head shots.
MOST don't do well, but some....surprise you.

The ONLY way to be sure is to use enough caliber to blow the skull apart. I know it sounds gruesome to say that, but it's true. A "bullet to the head" that simply enters, or enters and exits is NOT certainty of a kill. Can anyone say, "Gabby Giffords, or James Brady? When the the SKULL blows apart, and pulverized brain matter is splattered everywhere, THEN you can feel sure.

But I'm not so sure.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Yeah, I was an ICU Nurse for a few decades. Saw plenty of GSW's and head shots.
MOST don't do well, but some....surprise you.

The ONLY way to be sure is to use enough caliber to blow the skull apart. I know it sounds gruesome to say that, but it's true. A "bullet to the head" that simply enters, or enters and exits is NOT certainty of a kill. Can anyone say, "Gabby Giffords, or James Brady? When the the SKULL blows apart, and pulverized brain matter is splattered everywhere, THEN you can feel sure.

I'm pretty sure that neither Gabby nor James wanted to continue, or were capable of continuing the fight after being shot. That is what the issue is. No more, no less . . .

 

[Muss Muggins]

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You guys realize we're not trying to kill, right? Like, the first and only goal is instant incapacitation.

Not even that. The first and only goal is making the aggressor decide that he/she has something better to do at the moment. That doesn't require instant incapacitation . . .

 

[Tinhack]

Not even that. The first and only goal is making the aggressor decide that he/she has something better to do at the moment. That doesn't require instant incapacitation . . .

Not when the actor is racking the second round in a 12ga. The only thing you're thinking about is stopping him from getting that second round off. Call it what ever you want but he made his decision to be right where he was. There was no time to ask him if he had something better to do.

 

[Wise_A]

Not even that. The first and only goal is making the aggressor decide that he/she has something better to do at the moment. That doesn't require instant incapacitation . . .

Semantic argument is semantic. Bad poster is bad.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Semantic argument is semantic. Bad poster is bad.

I have no idea what you are trying to convey. If it's a dissent, it is duly noted . . .

 

[Muss Muggins]

Not when the actor is racking the second round in a 12ga. The only thing you're thinking about is stopping him from getting that second round off. Call it what ever you want but he made his decision to be right where he was. There was no time to ask him if he had something better to do.

Yawn. Cite a source where that actually happened. You might be able to find one. It doesn't happen. Home defense scenarios, like LEO encounters, hardly ever involve racking a shotgun again or loading a second magazine. The incidents that do make the national news, about once every couple years. Carry a gun, always, decide if you should intervene, look for cover, and protect you and yours. The scenario you describe only happens in drug houses in Juarez.

 

[Wise_A]

I have no idea why you would sit around with a weapon not ready to use, or purposely eject a shell from a weapon noted for its low ammunition capacity.

Or intentionally alert your attacker to your location.

Or alert alert them as to what exactly you were armed with.

I'd feel awfully stupid, explaining to St Peter how the miscreant that came to kill me shot me through the wall or the floor when I racked my shotgun in an attempt to make him a'scairt.

 

[jimbo728]

If ever called upon to shoot back I just hope I get them before they get me. I have needed to get on target twice in scary situations but thankfully did not have to shoot.
There is something to Muss`s statement about "something better to do".
Dont count on it though. Pulling the trigger is a split decision for sure.
Depends on unpredictable circumstances and threat level.
Jim

 

[Wise_A]

I have no idea what you are trying to convey. If it's a dissent, it is duly noted . . .

I could just as easily say, "Well, you should have avoided the fight...". It's the same logic you're applying--an argument based on semantics and moving the goal posts.

But I didn't because it contributes nothing to the conversation, it's just a dumb quip.

 

[Aldonola]

It may surprise you know that, statistically speaking, more people are killed with .22 LR than any other pistol caliber . . .

I suspect more people also survive being shot with .22 than any other caliber...


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