Sport IIs getting back to where they should be $569

[WVSig]

Not quit where they were but they are getting close. IMHO the real floor of the Sport II is $499 but prior to the election people were getting $699.

Looks like they are starting to move backdown. $569 Shipped!

Smith and Wesson M&P 15 Sport II 5.56mm 16" Barrel 30+1

 

[KSDeputy]

I love your dog.

 

[Kadonny]

I agree on the floor of $499, that's dirt cheap for the Sport.

 

[WVSig]

I love your dog.

That is my male Boyking Spaniel Copper.

I agree on the floor of $499, that's dirt cheap for the Sport.

I think they will get there sometime in 2017. There are just so many AR15s on the market now that the price point for entry level guns like the Sport II has to keep coming down.

 

[Mark IV]

The time to buy may be right now, considering the building momentum in the clear effort to overturn the election. I'd like to think it's a long-shot, but I don't put anything past these bastages. I'm thinking we're still not as out-of-the-woods as we'd like to think.
And if these Sport II's ever get down to $499, I'm gonna have a real tough time not jumping in myself !

 

[WVSig]

The time to buy may be right now, considering the building momentum in the clear effort to overturn the election. I'd like to think it's a long-shot, but I don't put anything past these bastages. I'm thinking we're still not as out-of-the-woods as we'd like to think.
And if these Sport II's ever get down to $499, I'm gonna have a real tough time not jumping in myself !

They were down to that about 6-7 months ago. IIRC

 

[Mark IV]

They were down to that about 6-7 months ago. IIRC

Okay,yeah, you busted me. I guess I meant to type that if they get down to $499...............AGAIN.........then I might be into another one.
The political landscape is (or appears to be) vastly different than it was 6-7 months ago. Back then (and in '08 and after the Newtown tragedy), my mindset was to liquidate potential "future felonies", not acquire them.

 

[WVSig]

Okay,yeah, you busted me. I guess I meant to type that if they get down to $499...............AGAIN.........then I might be into another one.
The political landscape is (or appears to be) vastly different than it was 6-7 months ago. Back then (and in '08 and after the Newtown tragedy), my mindset was to liquidate potential "future felonies", not acquire them.

I think that 2017 is going to be a buyers year. Inventories are high and sales are avg because there is no panic. The used market will be on fire because early panic buyers will start to liquidate guns they don't shoot and didn't "need".

 

[hdwhit]

WVSig wrote:
I think that 2017 is going to be a buyers year.

I agree.

I think an additional factor is going to be that with the panic buying subsiding, people who prioritized buying guns and ammunition will now have to attend to the things they deferred to buy those guns like a new washing machine, new shoes for the kids or repairs to the car.

My wife urged me to get an AR we could later give to our son when he reached age 18 fearing they might cease to be available after the election. Now that Hillary is not President, she's talking about replacing the shower in one of the bathrooms and that's where all my "gun money" will go in 2017.

 

[TAC]

S&W should remove the Magpul sights, to reduce the cost, and let the buyer chose his own.

 

[cyphertext]

S&W should remove the Magpul sights, to reduce the cost, and let the buyer chose his own.

Disagree... no more cost cutting on this rifle is necessary. Removing the MBUS rear sight would have very little effect on the retail price and would take away the selling point of being ready to shoot straight out of the box.

 

[Kadonny]

Disagree... no more cost cutting on this rifle is necessary. Removing the MBUS rear sight would have very little effect on the retail price and would take away the selling point of being ready to shoot straight out of the box.

Agree, and it's a plus when competing against the Aero's of the world which don't have a rear sight and they normally are pretty much zero'd so you can shoot them right out of the box.

 

[WVSig]

Agree, and it's a plus when competing against the Aero's of the world which don't have a rear sight and they normally are pretty much zero'd so you can shoot them right out of the box.

I think the real competition for the Sport II in the future is the SA Saint. They have a high level of no nonsense QC and customer service. On top of that once that rifle hits its proper price which IMHO is right around $700 it constitutes a better value with the BCM furniture, mid-length gas system, quality metal rear sight & BCM PNT trigger.

The things that most people are changing out on their $500-$600 Sport II is already done on the Saint minus the removal of the A2 sight post.

 

[Old TexMex]

The market may indeed drop, but I'm not counting my chickens just yet.
Pollyanna, I ain't.
But I sure hope you're right, and I won't begrudge the 600 I paid for mine.

 

[Westie1]

Hate to say it, but I think there's a lot of wishing and hoping going on. With the loss of the California mkt, there is an excess of production. Some of the boutique manufacturers will go out of business. The big people like S&W, Ruger, and Springfield will reduce how many they make to keep profits up. So, any price drop will be temporary to allow the supply pipeline to empty. After that prices will stabilize at a level close to pre-election levels. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

 

[WVSig]

Hate to say it, but I think there's a lot of wishing and hoping going on. With the loss of the California mkt, there is an excess of production. Some of the boutique manufacturers will go out of business. The big people like S&W, Ruger, and Springfield will reduce how many they make to keep profits up. So, any price drop will be temporary to allow the supply pipeline to empty. After that prices will stabilize at a level close to pre-election levels. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

The problem with that concept is that S&W, Ruger and SA are all built on a volume model. They have to move a ton of units to make money. If they self cut their economy of scale they will not be any better than smaller companies.

I actually think that "boutique" companies with strong followings will do better in 2017 because they do not rely on volume, pennies of profit on every unit, to survive.

I agree you will see a dip to sell of excess inventory but I cannot see a Sport II going for $650-$700 in 2017.

 

[kenny256]

S&W should remove the Magpul sights, to reduce the cost, and let the buyer chose his own.

This or sell one with an option for s carry handle.....

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[moralem]

The Ruger and Sport II make great stocking stuffers at the current rate in my area for $600. In Texas they may have fluctuated up to $650 at any given time but now they are back down to the $600 dollar mark. You can buy a Ruger from Bud's for $608 with no shipping cost. And Ruger and SW have decent quality control so I am not going to sit around waiting for them to come down, going to give them to the SILs that have never had a black rifle.......I am trying to shape the next generation to be strong supporters of the 2nd amendment. Would I like to see these entry level guns come down to the mid $500s, sure but I am not going to let the price difference having me waiting until a price drop comes, if it ever does.......

 

[cyphertext]

This or sell one with an option for s carry handle.....

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The original Sport came with the chopped carry handle style sights. Most people wanted folding sights over those, and the Magpul folding rear sight was cheaper too, so S&W changed them. Do you think it affected the MSRP? It didn't.

The Sport II, equipped with the MBUS rear sight is equipped the way an entry level rifle should be, ready to fire out of the box. Removing that sight would have minimal, if any effect on the price of the rifle, especially if the price continues downward. And the newbies that the rifle is marketed and priced for don't know what they really want yet.

If you want a S&W M&P 15 rifle that you choose what sights you would like to put on it, S&W has you covered with the M&P 15 OR.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

If you want a S&W M&P 15 rifle that you choose what sights you would like to put on it, S&W has you covered with the M&P 15 OR.

Wonder why one-piece gas block folders aren't more popular on rifles like the Sport. Of course it would be a few bucks more but it sure would avoid a lot of Sport buyers' headaches. I remember first seeing that configuration offered by Bushmaster a couple decades ago, but I can't remember the last time I saw a rifle equipped with one. Maybe scorched fingers is a reason they're not popular?