Sport IIs getting back to where they should be $569
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Kadonny
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Will you come to my house Santa...........I have my stocking hanging on the fireplace mantle waiting for a new Sport II. Hope to see you Christmas night!
Unfortunately I have two son in laws in front of you and opted for the optic ready versions instead of the M&Ps. That way no whining about who got the better AR. I saved the Colts for me though.
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medicmanpat
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They are a great deal in my opinion, even at $569.00. They seem quality built and are backed by a S&W warranty which is really good.
They are a decent deal at $569. Saw $559 somewhere the other day but I still think there are better deals out there for about the same $$$ ... but since this is a S&W M&P rifle section I won't post about it.
When they hit the $500 price range they are a no brainer but at $569 you can do better. IMHO
Lord I'm glad that 40-50 bucks isn't a deal breaker for something I want, that I might even need.
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Kadonny
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Damn, well a guy can try, can't he?
Actually if I add any more evil black guns to my safe I'll have to ask Santa for a bigger safe.
I know the feeling of needing another safe, just found a second hand Liberty that I think I will be picking up after the holidays for a very reasonable 300 bucks. The seller is moving and it isn't going with him
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For those of us who want our guns to meet certain specs, comparing the Sport II to the Saint is apples and oranges.
The biggest difference is the twist rate. While a 1:9 (SII) compared to 1:8 (SAS) does not seem like much, it is if you primarily shoot lighter bullets. 1:9 is the maximum twist I accept in a 223.
And while I'm sure the Saint is a great deal *IF* you like the furniture it comes with.... what if you don't and would change it anyway?
Then you would choose another rifle because you are removing the "value" that the SA represents. For me unless an off the shelf rifles configuration including furniture appeals to you there is no need to buy it. The whole purpose of off the shelf guns like the Sport II or SA are buying a gun that doesn't need changes to shoot it.
There is nothing wrong with the Sport II's configuration if it meets the desired need. If they drop back down to $500 I might buy 3 of them for truck/car carbines. Throw it in the trunk and not worry about it but in a pinch I have a self defense carbine ready to go. I would not need a rail or anything special I need iron sights and for it to function.
In the end I would ask the same question you asked me about the Saint about the Sport II. Why do so many people buy it but replace the furniture before it has seen 1000 round through it. You shooting light bullets and wanting a 1/9 twist puts you in the minority of shooters but if that is what you want the Sport may represent value for you. Its all a matter of perspective and needs.
What does not make any sense to me is what I see far too often here. Someone buys the Sport II based on price point and name recognition. They buy it because it is $500 to $650. They really know nothing about it or what they really want in a AR15 but they gotta have one. They then proceed to spend $200-$300 swapping parts to get the rifle they really want when they could have bought the rifle or built the rifle they "really" wanted for less than the Sport II + the upgrades. If you don't like the furniture on Saint then don't buy it.
My point is that for people who like the BCM stuff, or want a more comfortable grip and a rail system, the SA it represents value. Most of the entry level buyers who are buying entry level rifles don't know what they like. They do not necessarily have "gear" preferences but IHMO the BCM stuff like the stock and the handgaurd make the rifle more comfortable to shoot over the milspec stuff. The BCM rail having M-lok slots makes it better than the Sport IIs unlined GI handguards. Maybe you don't agree. If you don't buy a complete rifle that has what you want on it or build it.
Personally I am not choosing either. If I wanted and entry level rifle I would buy a PSA lower parts kit with stock of choice. $129 + $35 Anderson lower + $99 LaRue MBT trigger and a $259 to $299 PSA Complete upper with Keymond or M Lok rail Magpul sights included and a $99 PSA tested FA BCG with a charging handle.
I would be out the door at $661.
Or I would buy Aero OEM $449 with a mid gas system and put an Aero keymod or Mlok rail for $79 plus a stock of choice figure $75. Then add BUIS for $89.
I would be out the door at $698 with transfer.
Either of these configurations will perform as well of better than the Saint or the Sport II IMHO.
Especially the PSA build because the trigger in that build is far superior to even the BCM PNT found in the Saint. Clearly YMMV.
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I see this as making mountains out of molehills. The simple fact is the Sport II is priced decently, has good specs, and has basic furniture that really has no significant value should someone want to replace it.
Replacing the front sight assembly would cost more. If someone bought the gun intending to replace it immediately, I can see your point. If they decided to try it and then down the road decide something else might work better, I see that as a non-issue.
The Magpul rear sight is one of the less expensive folding sights. I don't see it as a big deal if someone wants to replace it.
CAR forends are a dime a dozen. So what if someone wants to replace it with a Magpul? Sure S&W makes a model with Magpul furniture. But, the one I saw at a dealer cost MORE than swapping Magpul furniture onto a Sport II.
So I see the Sport II as a good basic AR that can either be an entry level gun, or it can be a basic building block, or both.
Replacing the front sight assembly would cost more. If someone bought the gun intending to replace it immediately, I can see your point. If they decided to try it and then down the road decide something else might work better, I see that as a non-issue.
The Magpul rear sight is one of the less expensive folding sights. I don't see it as a big deal if someone wants to replace it.
CAR forends are a dime a dozen. So what if someone wants to replace it with a Magpul? Sure S&W makes a model with Magpul furniture. But, the one I saw at a dealer cost MORE than swapping Magpul furniture onto a Sport II.
So I see the Sport II as a good basic AR that can either be an entry level gun, or it can be a basic building block, or both.
Great then you should buy one or two. If you look closely at that magpul S&W you are getting more than just some fancy plastic furnature. I would suggest you look at the forum closely lots of people are removing the A2 sight.
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I did buy one.
Intended to replace the A2 sight with either a rail or a folding sight, but for now am trying something else and am keeping it. If I can get a decent, solid, riser for the EOTech to 1/3 cowitness I won't have to replace the front sight. So far none of the risers I've looked at for the ~.300" range are solid. The .500" risers are too tall. I threw on some Magpul furniture I had laying around that came off another gun. So no cost there, they were in the parts bin.
Also keep in mind that my cast off parts are not scrap. They wind up in the parts bin for other builds, either mine or my pals.
Here it is with the addition of the EOTech and Magpul furniture. The rear sight is still the factory supplied Magpul. I'm experimenting with other sights right now. Still need a riser for the EOtech.
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cyphertext
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I counted at least 5 threads on the front page where the user wants to get rid of the FSB. "I'm new" or "I just picked up" are key phrases in many of these threads.
Many folks have purchased the Sport as a base to build on. Five years ago, it made sense. Today there are better choices and more options.
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Picked one up for $580.00 the day after the election.
CBStuard
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Me too. I am really surprised this thread has something like 38 posts.Lord I'm glad that 40-50 bucks isn't a deal breaker for something I want, that I might even need.
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