how effective is tha 32 S&W long round

Welcome. Not much out there that supports this caliber for a personal carry gun. When I was a teenager, my grandfather had a Forehand Arms company top break in 32 S&W. one day I decided to do a little target shooting, so I propped up a target in front of an oak tree, stepped back about 15 yards and started shooting. I only discharged two rounds before shooting myself in the leg. What actually happened was that the ammo was so weak that it bounced off the tree bark and hit me in the leg. Left a small black-n-blue mark, but no damage.

In the old days, penetration was the best measure of power and one would shoot and determine how much wood a bullet would penetrate. I guess the 32 S&W would rate about zero penetration in wood.

I would definitely not depend on that caliber gun in a life or death situation.

Gary,

I certainly agree with you on the .32 S&W, but the .32 S&W Long, especially loaded to higher velocities, and used in more modern firearms are quite a good bit more potent than the .32 S&W. Some of the more modern Smiths, such as my 31-1 are routinely reamed out to accept the .32 Magnum, and in this configuration, are pretty effective.

But In the interests of full disclosure, I usually carry one of my pocket .357 Magnum Centennials, like my 340 PD, or my 640-1 Pro Series. BTW, the 340 PD is lighter fully loaded than the 2" Pre 30 is when empty!!!

But if all I had was one of the little guys I posted above, I would be in a better position than not being armed at all!!

Best Regards, Les
 
Some of the more modern Smiths, such as my 31-1 are routinely reamed out to accept the .32 Magnum, and in this configuration, are pretty effective.

If I wanted to use a .32 S&W revolver for defense this would be my first priority.
 
I would suggest buying a 38 spl over any .32. The 32 shooting from say Colt Police Special 4" is like shooting a 22lr as far as recoil goes.
.32 ammo is not really an inexpensive ammo to shoot either. Around $20 for a box of 50 wad cutters.
Make sure you buy a .32 that takes S&W 32 cartridge or you could play hard finding the older .32 -20 ammo. The latter is much harder to find.
There are a few people that carry a .32 semi auto for concealed carry. I have heard there are some good reliable .32 semi autos to choose from. IE: KelTec for one.
 
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Gawd this thread is full of misinformation. Its almost like reading the local fishwrap/pravda. Lets start with the 32 Colt idea. Its a totally different cartridge than a 32 S&W. You pick, long or short, still different. The Colt caliber uses a .299 bullet and the S&W cartridges won't chamber. Its even lighter recoiling than the S&W chamberings. Anybody want to buy it? :D Didn't think so.

OK, throwing rocks. How big a rock? In my illspent youth we used to load .32 S&W long with O buckshot. Pretty crude reloading setup, including a ground down nail to decap a hardwood block to reprime and a 22 short case with a copper wire handle soldered on. But this discussion seems to be from a guy who is asking a legitimate question who probably is clueless as to handloading. No foul there.

We've discussed from time to time cartridge interchange. Yes, you can use a 32 S&W in a 32 S&W long. But why? And you can use a 32 ACP in a decent 32 S&W Long gun. This time I won't bother with why. It a more powerful chambering often available with better bullets. Every single shot will result in a split case, and who cares? Its just a way to boost the power level a tiny bit. But at this level of power, every little bit helps.

And I understand why the loadings offered are pretty weak. I one time passed on a chance to buy a stringer of 32s. I'm old, grew up poor, and we used to go fishing with an old coathanger for our stringer. We'd just untwist the top and slide the unfortunate fishies on, then crudely retwist. The stringer I didn't buy had I think 6 revolver like things with the top retwisted. I think he wanted $75 for the entire stringer. I'm pretty certain my old Fanner 50 was made from better metals. I regret not buying it because I've seen a few "buybacks" that offer $75-100 per firearm. It seems uncertain who is in more danger using one, the shooter or the shootee.

As for the Keltec 32 being called dependable, Its not. Just more junk with a plastic looking dress. The problem with cheap and malfunctioning guns is you usually can keep trying with a revolver. With the automatic you've got to perform a jam clearing drill. Easy for most reading here, probably beyond most non-gun people.

The answer to the OPs question can't be answered by me. Too many variables and with training the user might become good enough to save his or her own life. Or not. Much depends on the current status. If the person already has the 32, its probably not adequate but better than a dead fish. If the gun hasn't been purchased, the person would probably be better off looking for a similarly junk grade 38. I've read that 22s kill more people each year than any other caliber. I have no way of learning if that's true or not. But at least you can buy 22 Stingers.
 
Dick, I have to differ with you on one item. The .32 Colt New Police is not the same as the older .32 Colt. The .32 Colt NP is interchangeable with the .32 Long, and is identical, except that the original Colt round had a flattened point bullet. As you can see from above, I have revolvers in both calibers, and regularly shoot .32 Longs in the Colt, and they fit and function perfectly.

I agree with you on why would anyone use a .32 S&W in a .32 Long revolver. Plus, .32 S&W ammo is more difficult to obtain than the .32 Long.

As far as dependable semi-auto .32s are concerned, the Beretta "Tomcat" that I have has been consistently reliable, as well as my .32 Walther PPK.

Best Regards, Les
 
William McKinley was done in...

William McKinley was done in by the old .32 S&W round, a short .32 compared to the .32 long. But he died from gangrene slowly, not trauma from the gunshot itself. Yuk.

Carl Weiss shot Huey Long with a .32 ACP. It took Long about a day and a half to die. The bullet went through and exited out of Long's back.

These were using old ammo. New HP bullets may be better, but it doesn't sound like a quick stopper.
 
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We keep our sw30-1 3" loads with a hard cast 100gr. Flat top cowboy bullet 3.5 grn. Unique. Plenty of power and penetration.not your factory round nose underloaded for break tops of yesteryear. It will reach 20" penetration to reach vitals. This load performs better than 380.

What kind of velocity do you get?
BuffaloBore sells a 100 gr hardcast .380 that gets 1150 fps (294 fpe) out of a PPK with a 3.5" barrel.

I'll be very impressed if your loading gets anywhere near 1000 fps.

That said, I like the Model 30 (and earlier hand ejectors) and would buy one for the right price. Just not my choice for self defense.
 
i actually carry a 32 long S&W hand ejector with a 3 1/4" barrel loaded with the Buffalo Bore 100 grain wadcutters. I'm retired, a hunter, and former military who never had much use for handguns. I protect my home with a shotgun, but since retiring I travel more and wanted something I could carry. I shot a 38 airlight and the short sight radius combined with a light gun, a stiff trigger, and strong recoil made it hard for me to shoot accurately. The sweet trigger on my 17 oz. 1953 pocket gun and better sight radius allows me to actually put some pretty good groups on paper-quickly too with the low recoil. I just buy my ammo online-PPU target ammo costs $15-17 per 50. I don't know how to attach a post but if you search "Smith & Wesson 32 long chronograph testing" on this forum you will see my results. About the same muzzle energy as .380 hardball or 38 special wadcutters.
 
If you want an I frame, I would suggest a 38 Regulation Police over any 32 caliber I frame. Not powerful compared to 38 Special and larger, but at least it carries a 145 grain bullet and has some power.

For comparison - Standard Factory loads:
32 S&W ME is 97 foot-pounds
32 Long ME is 132 "
38 S&W ME is 175 "
38 Special ME is around 250 "
357 Mag ME is around 540 "
380 Auto ME is 191 "
45 Auto ME is 300-400 "
 
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It's amazing how OP asked about the .32 S&W LONG and at least half the responders commented about the .32 S&W, .32 ACP, .32 Long and Short Colt, etc! Is this indicative of a lack of basic knowledge of S&W cartridges, or a dearth of reading comprehension? Just curious.

BTW, if you have a box for a .32 S&W Long revolver, from the days when compatible/alternative cartridges were listed inside the lid, both the .32 Long and Short Colt cartridges were listed as acceptable alternates!
 
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"And you can use a 32 ACP in a decent 32 S&W Long gun. This time I won't bother with why. It a more powerful chambering often available with better bullets. Every single shot will result in a split case, and who cares?"

Having fired hundreds of rounds of .32 ACP in a .32 Long revolver, I never had one case split, and I doubt that is even possible as the two case diameters are essentially identical. There are at least two good reasons why .32 ACP is not the best round to use in a .32 Long revolver, but case splitting is not one of them. Perhaps you meant that .32 ACP fired in a .32-20 revolver will result in case splits. An aside - I once loaded a cylinder full of .32-20 rounds into a .38 Special revolver by mistake. And fired them without really noticing anything was amiss. Now, all those .32-20 cases did split.
 
DWalt, my experience mirrors yours. I too have shot many .32 ACP rounds through some of my S&W .32 Long chambered revolvers, in fact some of the ones shown in my post above, and not only do they not split, but because they are semi-rimmed, the ejector will pick them up and eject them. One caveat, though, the rim is very shallow, and best results are obtained by holding the revolver vertical and smartly tapping the ejector rod to avoid a spent cartridge slipping under the ejector star.

Best Regards, Les
 
But what 32 round did LeRoy Brown have in his pocket??:D

Now Leroy, he a gambler
And he like his fancy clothes
And he like to wave his diamond rings
Under everybody's nose
He got a custom Continental
He got an Eldorado too
He got a thirty two gun in his pocket for fun
He got a razor in his shoe
 
The .32 worked 100% of the time as a 1 shot manstopper...for James Bound!
But I ain't no James Bound.And real life ain't no Hollywood!
Qc
 
A .32 S&W Long is better than nothing, and nobody in their right mind wants to be shot. As a defensive weapon, just the display of a firearm is enough to have an attacker change his mind. If that doesn't, then pull the trigger. Maybe the sound will scare the attacker. If that still doesn't work, keep pulling the trigger until the gun stops making noise, then run as fast as you can.
 
What kind of velocity do you get?
BuffaloBore sells a 100 gr hardcast .380 that gets 1150 fps (294 fpe) out of a PPK with a 3.5" barrel.

I'll be very impressed if your loading gets anywhere near 1000 fps.

That said, I like the Model 30 (and earlier hand ejectors) and would buy one for the right price. Just not my choice for self defense.

I shoot the 100 gr hardcast with 3.5 grains of Unique. Definitely an improvement over the factory fodder.

It would take a six inch barrel to get close to 1000 fps with reloads. In Ken Waters Pet Loads 3.5 grs of Unique gave 979 fps with a 91 gr bullet and 960 fps with a 112 grain bullet.

That will give you some idea of the velocity potential with reloads. Factory loads that are listed were in the low 700's for comparison in a six inch barrel and low 600's for a two inch barrel.

Reloading gives a 200 fps increase in velocity over factory in those two barrel lengths.



Bruce
 
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If a .32 is what you got or all you can handle, use it.
I've told this story many times and once more won't hurt. :rolleyes:
When the arthritis in my wife's hands reached the point where she could no longer handle the recoil of her .38 Detective Special, we came across a nice 2" Model 30-1 at a gun show. We bought it and the first time she fired it, she fell in love with it. The recoil didn't hurt and she could shoot it quite well.
We loaded it with the MagTech 98gr SJHP which has proven to provide excellent accuracy, power and penetration.
Certainly there are better choices. But if this is all I had, I'd carry it without reservations.
 
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