Ranger514
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Smacking the base of a mag
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Bopping it is OK. I prefer to give it a rap. However, others prefer to talk smack.
when you're in a life or death situation, be it a leo or civilian, I think smacking the mag to be certain it fully seats, could mean you're going home or your family is planning a funeral as your mag that you babied in drops out, so I think trying to be macho isn't the idea here, it's muscle memory at least for me it is
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If I had a pistol that couldn't stand up to having it's butt spanked, I'd replace it.
mrmike7189
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TAP/RACK/REASSESS
its TAP/RACK/REASSESS
no more TAP/RACK/BANG....training has changed.
too many officers may clear a jam and then immediately start firing without looking first to see their target has given up, put up his hands, and you shoot him. instant trip to unemployment lines, court, homelessness, soup kitchens, shelters and maybe prison!
its TAP/RACK/REASSESS
no more TAP/RACK/BANG....training has changed.
too many officers may clear a jam and then immediately start firing without looking first to see their target has given up, put up his hands, and you shoot him. instant trip to unemployment lines, court, homelessness, soup kitchens, shelters and maybe prison!
Agreed.
I should have qualified my post. I'm glad to see people are so passionate about their methods.
If you're training for a fight, you will want to smack that mag home - when YOU RELOAD. However, odds are (if you're using a Shield), your slide is going to be held open and you'll be inserting a mag without much resistance and slingshotting the slide shut.
Yes, clearing a jam involves a tap/rack - that's a lot different than loading up at the range, or loading up your carry weapon.
As someone mentioned above, you can damage the top round in the mag. If that happens, when you are you going to find out if it's damaged?
I'd no sooner slam home a mag while loading up a carry weapon than I would whip/flip my revolvers cylinder shut. And yes, I cringe at the thought of smacking a loaded (+1 loaded) weapon. I've yet to see it, but I can easily imagine it leading to a loaded gun being dropped, flung or slung in the act.
I'm surprised people can't tell if their mags are firmly seated or not. In all the years I've been shooting, I've yet to have one fall out.
The only way I can use the auto forward feature of my M&P's is to bop the magazine smartly....THEN I can use this wonderful feature!! No sling shotting for me, no slide release etc....Who ever invented this is genius.........
Randy
PS. Is it OK to do this with my revolvers as well, or will this make me shoot low and left?
Randy
PS. Is it OK to do this with my revolvers as well, or will this make me shoot low and left?
Tinhack
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On a +1 load and the slide closed, my Shield 9 won't latch the mag without a good rap on the bottom. Pushed all I could and it just falls out. There must not be enough clearance in the 7-round mag when full. I like carrying with the 7-rounder (less print) but carry one or two spare 8-rounders depending on where I think I'll be. Perhaps it will soften up when the spring looses some tension but I still need the UpLula to load my mags. They're TIGHT!
When shooting paper at a nice slow pace, I gently rock in the magazines, When qualifying and it calls for a full mag change with one in the chamber, and it's a timed qualification, I slam it home, don't need the not fully inserted magazine dropping out the bottom. In a shoot out , I would use a sledge hammer to ram it home if that what it took.
Then you'd best avoid the new M&P 2.0 models. The 2.0 slide stop has been specifically redesigned so that it will no longer auto-forward the slide when you smackrapbop the magazine.
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The only warning I can remember about smacking the mag that had a basis in truth related to magazines for the 1911s.
If you hammered it too hard on a fairly regular basis, you did stand a chance of bending the feed lips, thereby causing a failure to feed.
I never personally experienced this, but then again, I've never had a 1911 that required really smacking the mag hard in order to seat it.
If you hammered it too hard on a fairly regular basis, you did stand a chance of bending the feed lips, thereby causing a failure to feed.
I never personally experienced this, but then again, I've never had a 1911 that required really smacking the mag hard in order to seat it.
bobbyd
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One minor disagreement here that this type of action will not hurt anything...
...some magazines have the base plate tack-welded on; smacking a fully loaded magazine soundly against the bottom of the slide will stress and may break those welds. I've had 8-10 McCormick 1911 magazines break at the weld dumping baseplate, spring, follower and all rounds out the bottom. (Although I hasten to add that they've been 100% behind their product and readily replaced them.)
Doesn't seem to be an issue with the rolled/crimped attaching types but it really can and has happened!
...some magazines have the base plate tack-welded on; smacking a fully loaded magazine soundly against the bottom of the slide will stress and may break those welds. I've had 8-10 McCormick 1911 magazines break at the weld dumping baseplate, spring, follower and all rounds out the bottom. (Although I hasten to add that they've been 100% behind their product and readily replaced them.)
Doesn't seem to be an issue with the rolled/crimped attaching types but it really can and has happened!
Kodiakco
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I resemble that remark! Mine was a loaded chamber reload. The mag fell on a table, slid across it and on to the ground. It was pretty funny actually.
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Yup, feel free to smack it in there. And use enough force when inserting mags to know the job got done, too.
Do as many things as possible consistently the same way. That way if it's ever needed, you'll do it that way. Just make sure the way you always do it is the best choice. Consistency makes things more simple. KISS. You don't want to be thinking about which method is best for the particular situation if you use your firearm for self defense, or even on the clock in a match
And it won't hurt it
That said, I'm not referring to removing your hand from the magazine, drawing back, then smacking it. That just gives it an opportunity to fall out while you draw back. Insert the magazine with authority (you don't have to try to break stuff, just don't baby it ya know?) and feel free to give a nice shove to the baseplate as the finishing motion.
Do as many things as possible consistently the same way. That way if it's ever needed, you'll do it that way. Just make sure the way you always do it is the best choice. Consistency makes things more simple. KISS. You don't want to be thinking about which method is best for the particular situation if you use your firearm for self defense, or even on the clock in a match
And it won't hurt it
That said, I'm not referring to removing your hand from the magazine, drawing back, then smacking it. That just gives it an opportunity to fall out while you draw back. Insert the magazine with authority (you don't have to try to break stuff, just don't baby it ya know?) and feel free to give a nice shove to the baseplate as the finishing motion.
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peachhead
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Yes, and emphatically yes. THIS is why I don't smack my mags home, simply because of this. When I was a young warthog I was taught not to do that. In today's world, I don't think you would have this problem with, for instance, Glock mags. 1911s, it can and eventually will be an issue if you do it long enough. I guess if I were in a stress, combat, defend my life situation, I would not care and would smack the **** out of it because it's a Glock in my truck and not a 1911. Or better yet, a revolver where I don't have to worry about it.
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