The metal clip is to deflect hot gasses escaping from the barrel/cylinder gap, so they do not flame cut the top strap on the Scandium frame revolvers.
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Choosing Between a 325 Thunder Ranch and 327 TRR8
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It is a shield to prevent pressure/gases from harming the scandium frame. At least that's what I think it does.
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zogger
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Txs! Does it make it harder to clean around the forcing cone? Do you remove it to clean around there?
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zogger
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No, and
definitely no.
Hope you like your TRR8.
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Txs! Working thru the Finance and Executive committee for agreement.
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zogger
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Still deciding while I work things thru the finance committee. I shot my 686 6" today at the range. I realized that the TRR8 (at the range) would not give me a much different experience than the 686. The TRR8 holds 2 more rnds but has a 1" shorter barrel.
However if I go with the 327 Thunder Ranch, I will be shooting 45ACP. So right now leaning back towards the 327.
However if I go with the 327 Thunder Ranch, I will be shooting 45ACP. So right now leaning back towards the 327.
Wee Hooker
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Owning a 625 and a Trr8, I have to say they are both really great guns. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of either!
However, I have found tactical reloading with moonclips to be slicker and less problem prone with the 45 cal. The 45 acp is a short, fat rimless round that just launch slicker than goose poop into the cylinder. The longer, skinnier 357 mag rounds tend to be more temperamental in positioning within the clip due to their rimmed case design and harder to line up (all 8) with their chambers. Some brands of ammo/cases work better than others but I've found all can be knocked out of alignment fairly easily if carried in the pocket/dropped.
FWIW,I think I'd lean towards the 45 for that reason alone. It carries 2 less rounds but on the outside chance you need 9-10 rounds, the 45 is going to be easier to load under stress /at 3 am in the dark .
p.s. If the finance committee veto's your budget, you could do ALLOT worse than to be armed with a 686 and a couple of speed loaders.
p.p.s. A M&P 45 semi auto will get you 11 rounds of 45acp and a rail for a light at a lot less $ than either revolver. I mention this only because my M&P45 has displaced my bedroom revolver in recent years ( because of these attributes combined with simplicity of operation and super reliability.)
However, I have found tactical reloading with moonclips to be slicker and less problem prone with the 45 cal. The 45 acp is a short, fat rimless round that just launch slicker than goose poop into the cylinder. The longer, skinnier 357 mag rounds tend to be more temperamental in positioning within the clip due to their rimmed case design and harder to line up (all 8) with their chambers. Some brands of ammo/cases work better than others but I've found all can be knocked out of alignment fairly easily if carried in the pocket/dropped.
FWIW,I think I'd lean towards the 45 for that reason alone. It carries 2 less rounds but on the outside chance you need 9-10 rounds, the 45 is going to be easier to load under stress /at 3 am in the dark .
p.s. If the finance committee veto's your budget, you could do ALLOT worse than to be armed with a 686 and a couple of speed loaders.
p.p.s. A M&P 45 semi auto will get you 11 rounds of 45acp and a rail for a light at a lot less $ than either revolver. I mention this only because my M&P45 has displaced my bedroom revolver in recent years ( because of these attributes combined with simplicity of operation and super reliability.)
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All three of my S&W 45 ACP revolvers shoot individual 45ACP rounds reliably, without moon clips. For casual shooting this is fine. I actually prefer to feed mine 45 Auto Rims though, no moon clips either, of course. However, I always have a couple full moon clips loaded up for emergency/SD use.
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dwever
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But will it extract the casings without the clip? Many on the forums report no because most DA revolvers in .45 ACP may not require a Moonclip to fire the ammunition, but spent cases will have to be poked out of the chambers one-by-one with a pencil, twig, or other such instrument as there is no rim for the ejector star to bear against. If it does extract, you are using the significantly more expensive work around and less reliable auto rim ammo (as if .45 isn't expensive enough already). 45 AR is basically a .45 ACP with an extra-thick rim so that it can properly extract without a moonclip.
And then there's this:
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Didn't state that individual 45ACP cases will eject with the extractor. They pluck right out with my fingernails though. Again, fine for casual use.
Of course 45AR eject with the extractor. That's what they are designed for.
Minimal extra cost for Starline 45AR cases, to reload. My cases will still be reloadable years from now, once I'm gone. Way more convenient. Worth every penny. Also, they can safely handle 45 Super power loads, for those wanting more, & I do.
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dwever said:
Whether 45ACP rounds fire individually in every revolver ever made is not a concern to me, only the ones in mine.
Either way your statement is still incorrect. You have a choice when shooting a 45 ACP revolver.
(Don't know why you deleted your original post.)
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I like shooting 45 acp in revolvers & semi autos especially my 945 no dash pic. The ammo is cheap $13 / box S&B 230 delivered including shipping. With my 625-2 1988 model moonclips are convenient & fast & I have never had a misfire. Demooning & loading the moonclips at home before I go shoot is easy & doesn't take much time even with just the moonclip tool. My 357 guns are 6 shot so I can't speak of how the 8 shot moonclilps are as I shouldn't because I don't have one! For me to give advice like it's an order should be dismissed. I have never shot my revolver without the moonclips but I have read that mine would fire as Bluedot stated. I also have never had a misfire with moonclips.
dwever
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Deleted original post because my follow up gave more information from three experienced posters directly on issue.
Finger picking individual shells. No thanks.
"Whether 45ACP rounds fire individually in every revolver ever made is not a concern to me, only the ones in mine." Well the thread's not really for you is it? Trying to help the OP with a specific decision here aren't we?
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zogger
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Does the 325 Thunder Ranch come with any moon clips? Also, what is the correct thickness for moonclips for this gun?
Thanks!
Thanks!
justintyme
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Both guns will come from the factory with some moon clips, but not enough for serious fun. Do yourself a favor and buy a good tool like the BMT for loading and unloading and get some more moon clips to load up a bunch before heading to the range....you can burn up ammo almost as fast as a semi auto.
I have had a couple of 625's and currently have a 610.....I will have another 625 5 " soon, I still have a bunch of moon clips loaded with .45 acp waiting for me to find one!
I have had a couple of 625's and currently have a 610.....I will have another 625 5 " soon, I still have a bunch of moon clips loaded with .45 acp waiting for me to find one!
Mine came with (5) full moon clips that measure .040" thick. Some are stamped with "TK" which I figure means they got them from TK Customs, which makes many accessories for it.
Don't forget for casual use you can use Rimz polymer moon clips. They can be easily loaded by hand & are fine for informal target shooting or plinking & save the metal ones for more critical use.
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Just do like I did and get a moon tool and a whole lot of clips. I have 5 S&W that fire 45 acps, and maybe 100 clips. I love full moons and never mess with individual rounds or AR cases. Simple quick reloads, easy and complete brass clean up.
I can not for the life of me see why anyone would be so stubborn as to load and pick out push out individual 45 acp rounds. A good clip tool and life is very good with moonclips. Even with out a clip loader I have never found it hard to load clips and with a simple notched tube set up simple to declip. Never even bothered to try the Rimz clips but they do sound like a good product. I do have a few of the 2 round clips. I have been carrying a 325 with a 2 1/2" barrel and some of the 2 round clip are handy and carry easy in the left pocket without a bulge if I ever need to reload.
If you don't like clips I suggest you go with a 44 or a 45 colt.
I can not for the life of me see why anyone would be so stubborn as to load and pick out push out individual 45 acp rounds. A good clip tool and life is very good with moonclips. Even with out a clip loader I have never found it hard to load clips and with a simple notched tube set up simple to declip. Never even bothered to try the Rimz clips but they do sound like a good product. I do have a few of the 2 round clips. I have been carrying a 325 with a 2 1/2" barrel and some of the 2 round clip are handy and carry easy in the left pocket without a bulge if I ever need to reload.
If you don't like clips I suggest you go with a 44 or a 45 colt.
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zogger
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Thanks for the responses!
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zogger
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The 325 Thunder Ranch (nickname will be "Thunder Chief") is now on order. It will be in Monday or Tuesday.
I have a demooner on order.
Two questions for those who shoot the 325 TR:
1. The gun has an adjustable trigger stop. Have you adjusted this and how does it help?
2. What ammo do you suggest? A guy who shoots competitively and reloads suggested I use 180gr instead of the "normal" 230 gr I use in my 1911s.
Txs!
I have a demooner on order.
Two questions for those who shoot the 325 TR:
1. The gun has an adjustable trigger stop. Have you adjusted this and how does it help?
2. What ammo do you suggest? A guy who shoots competitively and reloads suggested I use 180gr instead of the "normal" 230 gr I use in my 1911s.
Txs!
