DID THE SINGLE STACK 9MM KILL THE CARRY REVOLVER?

ANOTHER BOLD CLAIM, ANY PROOF?

"I carry the CM9 with 7 rds and a trigger that feels like the finest S&W DA trigger ever honed at 6 pounds.

Not until the 640 Pro did Smith make a serious sight for a belly gun under 2.25"s "

You know EXACTLY which revolver has "the finest S&W DA trigger" and have fired it? I haven't fired every S&W revolver, NOR every semi made. The "Best" semi trigger I recall was on a worked Colt gold cup, & the best revolver trigger (that's a tough one) may have been a worked model 10 snub??? Regarding Kahrs, if I had bought the stainless version instead of the PM9, I might still have it. As good as it WAS.
Sights for a SD belly gun? Think you will have time to get into your perfect stance/grip/sight alignment? :rolleyes: My Seecamp is a single stack & has NO SIGHTS. IMO they would be as useful as a screen door on a submarine. Sorry if this comes across as sounding rude, that's not my intention.
 
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The reason I'm not concerned by most of these stories is that when LEOs are involved it's an apples to oranges comparison to what most CCW holders will face.

A bad guy has a much stronger incentive to stay in the fight against the cop in order to avoid prison. By contrast, I'll consider it a win if either of us runs off.

I suppose there might be the rare individual who soaks up hits from my two revolvers and continues to attack. But even then I don't see where a single stack 9 would be likely to make a difference.
 
dwever said:
Dear Content Scraper: What are you 16? This article was lifted in whole from Shooting Illustrated. Seriously OP, you can link it, but just lifting it in totality steals revenue from the sight/author that owns the copyright. There are no less than six advertisements accompanying the article on it's proper sight. They pay to be there. These advertisements generally provide the revenue that pay the author and fund the web site.

It is unthinkable that the moderators haven't addressed this breach of intellectual property unless the NRA which owns Shooting Illustrated explicitly allows this.

Here is what the U.S. Government says: “The distinction between what is fair use and what is infringement in a particular case will not always be clear or easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.” About the Fair Use Index | U.S. Copyright Office. Taking virtually every single word is clearly infringement as it is not quotation of a short passage or passages for a scholarly work, or use of a short passage or passages for criticism of the work, or use in a parody, or summary of an article with brief quotations in a news report.

Finally, Copyright infringement is illegal and in some cases criminal. There exists a broad choice of civil actions that can be imposed, criminal cases have also occurred in certain instances.
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Relax, Francis.
 
The title of this thread warned me to stay away, but I didn't.
I jumped in and kept swimming.
Now 30 minutes of my life have been flushed.
 
NO. The Illinois State Police carried the S&W M-39 for years as did a few departments. But not until the advent of the "Wonder Nine" did the revolver lose ground as the primary LE habdgun. The Wonder Nines were the S&W 659, the Glock 17, Beretta 92 and the SIG P226. PD jumped on the 9mm "lotsa bullets" bandwagon and everyone was screaming "we're outgunned". Single stacks didn't carry enough extra ammo to make conversion worthwhile.
I know because they had to drag be kicking and screaming into the Auto world. In fact I became a Detective just because of the wonder nine. (In my department detectives were allowed to keep their revolvers)
 
YOU'RE IN HOT WATER NOW.

dwever said:
Dear Content Scraper: What are you 16? This article was lifted in whole from Shooting Illustrated. Seriously OP, you can link it, but just lifting it in totality steals revenue from the sight/author that owns the copyright. There are no less than six advertisements accompanying the article on it's proper sight. They pay to be there. These advertisements generally provide the revenue that pay the author and fund the web site.

It is unthinkable that the moderators haven't addressed this breach of intellectual property unless the NRA which owns Shooting Illustrated explicitly allows this.

Here is what the U.S. Government says: “The distinction between what is fair use and what is infringement in a particular case will not always be clear or easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.” About the Fair Use Index | U.S. Copyright Office. Taking virtually every single word is clearly infringement as it is not quotation of a short passage or passages for a scholarly work, or use of a short passage or passages for criticism of the work, or use in a parody, or summary of an article with brief quotations in a news report.

Finally, Copyright infringement is illegal and in some cases criminal. There exists a broad choice of civil actions that can be imposed, criminal cases have also occurred in certain instances.
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Just wait til your father gets home.:D
 
I own a number of carry revolvers in J, K and L frame sizes (and my Model 13 isn't in this group).

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I own three single stack 9mm pistols, and none of them are really what the OP was talking about. The 1911 I carry (10+1 capacity), while the other two are just for fun:

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My carry revolvers are still alive and doing well. I tried a 1911 commander. Just not for me. A model 10 snub is the one I usually carry but find my 686 on my hip often. I live pretty rural but when I go to the city the 686 is it. 7 rounds and a speed loader, I'm armed pretty good id say. Just not an auto guy. 20 plus hand guns, three are autos. All about what floats yer boat I guess.
 
Guys there are no "hard and fast rules" no 'guaranteed one shot stops".....if there were rules; in the real world there are exceptions........and if a round/gun combo guaranteed one shot stops....... we'd all be carrying it!!!!!!!!!!

So we all just need to decide what works best for us ........ size,shape caliber and capacity.......... accept the inevitable short falls; then ..... hope for the best but plan for the worst!!!!!!!!

:D
 
I don't usually post but have to put in my 2 cents on this. I think plastic (injected moulded striker fired) guns are cheaper to make than steel revolvers or reinforced aluminum. A lot of the younger crowd is use to the throw-away mentality and want cheap instead of quality. Gun manufacturers can probably crank out a plastic semi-auto for pennies of what a revolver costs.

Another, previously mentioned issue is concealability. I saw in one of my gun magazines where a manufacturer has a curved frame now to better fit the curves of a person's body.:rolleyes:

I have a couple plastic guns but most times carry a Colt Agent or a S&W Airweight, both 38s. The Airweight is not as succeptable to sweat rust when it is hot. Sometimes when it is cold enough to wear a coat a stainless 7 shot S&W 686 .357.

As a side note, if I buy a long gun it has to have a wood stock, not a rubber stock.:D
 
silversnake said:
Could you please link to these armed citizens who died because their revolvers ran out of ammo? My reload is going to be to grab another snubby, hopefully that won't take too long.
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Hahahaha! I've carried a NY reload a couple times. I just might do it more because it was comforting and comfortable. A blued M36 in the right front pocket... in a Desantis "Nemisis" and the "reload"; a nickel M36 on my right hip in a Galco OWB holster with (2) flat speed strips in the back left pocket. Both times I did this was for a late night run to CVS for my wife or daughter.
I'm under 40 years old and I've come to the light in regards to the use of revolvers, (late but better than never.) Revolvers are "everybody's" guns... I'm finding. They simply do what other semi-auto platforms cannot in their own applications; and I'm a semi-auto nut!

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All of the below revolvers were added to our inventory within the last 14 months... That's how much me and the wifey love them. The Colt is her purse carry with the adage of some Altamont's!
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Deltam said:
I don't usually post but have to put in my 2 cents on this. I think plastic (injected moulded striker fired) guns are cheaper to make than steel revolvers or reinforced aluminum. A lot of the younger crowd is use to the throw-away mentality and want cheap instead of quality. Gun manufacturers can probably crank out a plastic semi-auto for pennies of what a revolver costs.

Another, previously mentioned issue is concealability. I saw in one of my gun magazines where a manufacturer has a curved frame now to better fit the curves of a person's body.:rolleyes:

I have a couple plastic guns but most times carry a Colt Agent or a S&W Airweight, both 38s. The Airweight is not as succeptable to sweat rust when it is hot. Sometimes when it is cold enough to wear a coat a stainless 7 shot S&W 686 .357.

As a side note, if I buy a long gun it has to have a wood stock, not a rubber stock.:D
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Disagree. I don't know anyone who's buying a disposable gun nor do i know anyone who wants to buy a none quality gun my self including. Polymer striker doesn't mean low quality just like steel doesn't mean quality. Plenty of both have been made like junk. I think the mentality of what a gun is ....is what changed. Quality is in performance and reliability not looks or feelings.

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Plastic, great marketing and politics killed the revolver as the American LE standard. The high cost of producing revolvers didn't help. If you recall, the makers of the new fangled "wonder nines" all but gave away their new guns to get a foot hold in the market (even our beloved S&W) giving high trade-in prices and new guns at or near cost (but made a grundle of money selling extra mags ) in order to convince the politicians that they were getting something for nothing. (Remember, Chiefs of Police, Sheriffs and Directors of public safety are really only politicians)

This can also be applied to CCW. All the modern gizzy-whizz dodads work with small semi-autos. lights, lazers, optics and such are being built into small autos or can be readily attached. Revolvers, with the exception of add on grips, are very limited. I still carry a revolver and am looked at as a semi-extinct species (probably true) Anyone under 35 or so can't remember when the revolver was king and were brought up on autos, usually plastic or aluminum framed and can't understand why anyone would limit themselves to a 5 or 6 shot wheelgun. (The exception being a few that have embraced the 1911 platform.) The world changes. Not always for the better.
 
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GB said:
Plastic, great marketing and politics killed the revolver as the American LE standard. The high cost of producing revolvers didn't help. If you recall, the makers of the new fangled "wonder nines" all but gave away their new guns to get a foot hold in the market (even our beloved S&W) giving high trade-in prices and new guns at or near cost (but made a grundle of money selling extra mags ) in order to convince the politicians that they were getting something for nothing. (Remember, Chiefs of Police, Sheriffs and Directors of public safety are really only politicians)
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Much more complicated than that. Miami in the late 70s early 80s had a lot to do with it. When drug cartels started having machine gun shootouts in the streets many officers went and bought high capacity semi autos. These gangs spread to other cities. In the late 80s my city was already all semi auto and it's not a small department. Something like 6000 officers.



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