Gunshow report, Louisville

Sounds like your gun show promoters are like music promoters, legends in their own minds.

It's not all of them in this area. Kenny Woods is really a good guy.

Ron Dickson, however, is just generally and objectionable person. He's the one in charge of National Gun Day.

Gunzo, I'm surprised he offered to give the guy his money back and didn't just tell him to get lost if he was unhappy with things.
 
It's not all of them in this area. Kenny Woods is really a good guy.

Ron Dickson, however, is just generally and objectionable person. He's the one in charge of National Gun Day.

Gunzo, I'm surprised he offered to give the guy his money back and didn't just tell him to get lost if he was unhappy with things.

Agree, never head a cross word from management at a Kenny Woods show. The old Hurtsborne shows, smooth sailing, miss 'em. Jerry Taylor was mentioned, small but good, with no drama. Dickson had something to do with the demise of Jerry's shows??

Dickson, a generally objectionable person, agreed again.

The refund offer, surprised me also, but it was only after he told the guy several things is such away that I was more surprised he didn't get hurt.
 
Dickson is an Alpha Hotel in spades and that's being generous! Surprised someone didn't take the microphone away from him and shove it up his......! Maybe someone wil buy him out and bring back decent shows. Hurstborne was always a favorite and the vendors and promoters were good folk.
 
Could not have a shabbier sound system if they tried. 2 self contained 12" pa speakers mounted in the 40 ft rafters. Nothing but garbled noise. The crowd got quiet for Dicksons pre 9am pep talk but sound was so bad I was lucky to understand a single word much less follow a train of thought. I think RD's staff must be scared to tell him what he sounds like.

I've got a couple of cool old 1st gen Colts with fancy stocks. I like owning them so I've got them priced to keep. I just bring them to the shows to make my table look good but they are priced realistic.

Burg has been drooling over my ivory handled Bisley for 3 or 4 years now but I think he's waiting for a stale merchandise sale and here I am thinking that I haven't raised the price in a few years so it's about time for a cpi price increase. :D
 
For me, it was a better show than we have up here in Michigan, except for the Michigan Antique Arms Shows.
I sold 5 guns along with a bunch of smaller items and picked up a mint M-1 a1 Paratrooper, a S&W Victory model along with a book I was looking for, A shoulder stock for a 1911a1 and some Civil War stuff.
I ate the pulled pork from outside the arena. I brought my own coffee from the hotel we stayed at as the show's $3.00 a cup stuff can be used as bore solvent.
I may try the show in January or February and make some side trips along the way. Those 9 hour drives are killer.
 
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Good choice on the Kentucky Pork Producers food booth. Their boneless pork chop sandwich is very good, too.

Last year the Jan show was very ordinary. Christmas bills are due and tax refund checks aren't out yet. The Feb show is traditionally the best show of the year, by far.

Just checking the NGD schedule and looks like the 2018 fall show is a much better date, Oct 27, 28. That misses Court Days and is before Tulsa so should be better than this last one.
 
Tying some things together. A few years back Lee yelled at us and told us to tone down are comments. We mostly did. But now I guess he realizes we are the majority opinion on the subject.

Worse, NGD used to be the big dog. Everything else was sort of planned around the floating dates. He could wipe out another show just by picking his date at the same time. That's changed dramatically. Most of us weigh the options and often as not, we go to the other show.

Maybe one of the traits that make a gunshow promoter is a lot of self centered personal habits. That can be over done, and the need to run others down to make him feel good is a bad habit. He has the need for power and to wield it at every opportunity. No, I have no idea why he came to Kentucky to run as an Ohio senator. You can give a thousand campaign speeches in Kentucky and not pick up a single vote in Ohio.

On the Jerry Taylor thing, I don't even know if he's still alive. He had a terrible health problem a few years ago. I'd heard it rumored that he lost his FFL, but not why. His venues were pretty small, with the one in Winchester just tiny. It didn't matter, the shows still had enough vendors and customers to get by. And he started a thing that Kenny Woods picked up. Wives and children were free. He knew the only reason they came long was because dad was going. Back then it was bad enough to charge $5, but to try to extort that again from the wife and kids made the show unaffordable. Move that to the current time and $12 per person could easily be why NGD is down so much in attendance. With gun show food costly as all get out, and lousy to boot, it kind of loses its appeal.

On the Kenny Woods thing, he still comes along to most shows. The guy who mans the back door is his brother. Maybe no say in the management but RK does a good job. They put on a bunch of mid size shows. None in the 500-1000 table range, but small shows with a good number of private tables is fun. Offers the opportunity to buy some scarce or never seen items.
 
A lot of vendors in my area (Florida) have pulled out of the gun show that is at our convention center holds quarterly. I noticed that all the area stores that do attend- just scoop up all their inventory and just bring it there to sell at the same exact price. Makes no sense at all. If I can come in your store and buy something any time I want, why would I attend a special venue, pay $11.00 to come inside and buy the exact same thing???? Speaking with the area business's they say forget it. a lot of trouble to move everything twice if everybody else is not even going to change the tags on the guns and try to sell them there. I found a total of 11 Smith and Wesson revolvers in the entire show last time. One guy I bought my highway patrolman from had 9 of those said revolvers. He is just a non dealer so no wait for me, no tax for me. The only reason I would ever go again is to find that same ordinary citizen. He had a like new 4 screw model 58 I would like to look at again!
 
Kenny Woods had natural marketing savvy and he wasn't greedy. Instead of threatening his vendors with loss of table location if they left early on Sunday, he gave vendors a reason to stay. He held a drawing at 3pm Sunday. Winner got $200. 2nd got $100, 3rd, 4th 5th got $50 each and then next 3 places got a free table for next show. Catch was you had to have your guns on your table at time of drawing. It worked and Sunday was often better than Sat.

I've had KW say pay me for 3 tables and take the 4th free. He never fails to thank his vendors usually by just saying "I appreciate you"

I don't know what happened to the Hurstborne Lane show at the old Ramada Inn. A group of Patels bought it in mid 2000s and were too cheap to put light bulbs in all the ceiling recepticles. They hit about every other one. The last show I set up the light was so bad that vendors were bringing in trouble lights and extension cords. I've heard the place has changed hands and improved but as far as I know there have been no gun shows in about 5 years. Too bad because it's a perfect size (room for 4-500 tables) with easy access and ample free parking.
 
Here in Vegas we are about to lose the major show venue, Cashman Field. I went there twice, the first and last time. I object to paying $3 to get a piece of card telling you how they are not liable for damage to your vehicle then having to shell out another $15 at the door. Nope.

We had some fairly good shows down at the South Point casino until last year. Now that venue has not seems to have gone away, too. Now we are down the he Western Trails folks and Clause Hall. Yee-ess. ;)

From what I hear from the other trade shows that have used Cashman, the hotels want stupid money to host shows, and that's not even gun shows. As a result more than one large expo that used to take place here will be going to another city. Corporate greed in Vegas is rampant right now. The Strip hotels recently started charging for parking. That put an end to me going there for a night out "just because".
 
Trading in the DARK

doublesharp;139751352 A group of Patels bought it in mid 2000s and were too cheap to put light bulbs in all the ceiling recepticles. They hit about every other one. The last show I set up the light was so bad that vendors were bringing in trouble lights and extension cords.[/QUOTE said:
Back in early 80s shows held at the Cotillion in Wichita KS it were so dark out on the rim that I had to use a flashlight to check any gun offered. I soon stopped going.

Did learn that an incandescent flashlight would really show up cold blue touch up.

Bekeart
 
Did learn that an incandescent flashlight would really show up cold blue touch up.


Use Jim Supica's trick. Smell the gun. Most cold blue solutions still smell of it years later. Most guys that stoop to it will try to flip the gun at the next show or two. The tell tale smell doesn't have time to go away.
 

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