My Latest N Frame Project.. The beginning---Update: May 23rd, 2018!!

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Ever since I saw Iggy's snub nose N frame project gun, I've had an itch to build something similar. I have one 3 1/2" N frame, a 27-2, which I've posted before, and I like the size, but I have had a hankering to put together a big bore pre war gun. On the other hand, I don't want to ruin some priceless, rare, collectable heirloom..... What I want to build is something that I won't be worried about shooting and packing around the woods, that is practical, and preferably chambered in a big bore caliber that I already handload for, with a barrel no shorter than 3 1/2", and no longer than 4". Since then I've seen some other big frame snubs that have added to the mental picture I've been building up of where I'd like this project to go...Wyatt Burp and Lee's Landing Billy's recent posts come to mind, being, as it were, at opposite ends of the exterior finish spectrum....

Here's Iggy's gun, which was my initial inspiration (with permission):

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Well, another thought that occurred to me was that if I could find a suitable gun in fair outside condition, and find an extra barrel, I could modify the extra barrel, and keep the original to put back on the gun if I ever wanted to revert to its original configuration...

So, that's where I was a few weeks ago, when I saw a 1937 Brazilian.45 on GB for a pretty reasonable figure. Description said that the bore was in pretty good condition, and the photos looked to be just about what I was hoping to find, so I bid on it and it arrived a little over a week ago.

Here's what it looked like when I took it out of the box, (by the way, Roy says that this one shipped in July of 1938), before I did anything with it... Notice that the sideplate screws are boogered up, so I suppose that someone has been inside of it...

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Not wanting to work the action to much in case it was crudded up with old, dried out lubricant inside, I opened it up, and here's what I found:

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As an old police Armorer, and a guy who has several dozen hand ejectors presently, and have had many others in the past... This is the most hardest, solidified, dried out lubricant that I've ever seen....but in a way, I saw that as a plus: no one had been inside of this gun for a long time, maybe decades... So I saw my first job as gently getting this stuff out. So I disassembled the revolver and put the individual parts and the frame to soak, and ever day or so I would brush out the frame, and each of the parts with a toothbrush with the bristles cut back (Thanks, Hondo44!).

Well, it took a good week to soak and brush all of the really hard crud out of all of the nooks and crannies, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that some of the parts looked like brand new...all of the springs seem to be just as strong as they were when the gun was made almost 80 years ago. No rust on the inside of the gun at all, but a couple of pits on the outside, strictly cosmetic in nature...noticed that the recoil shield has no wear indicative of being carried and shot...no cartridge head "ghost" wear... Although the gun seems to have been beat around some,and has some handling nicks, it seems really nice inside. Including the chambers and bore!!

Over the course of that week, I tried different solvents: kerosine, acetone, Kroill, and elbow grease, and finally got all of that crud scrubbed out. In the meantime, a couple of items that I had purchased came in. First, from eBay, an extra barrel, unnumbered, for a 1917, that someone had ground off the "United States Property" stamp from underneath, and has a couple of dings on the outside, but the bore is mint!! It's shown at the top of the photo...I won't feel to bad modifying this one. Also from eBay, a Tylers T Grip....And then, like it was meant to be, one of the forum members, "bigmtnman" had a nice set of elk antler stocks for sale. I've put them in the picture at the lower right (by the way, he does good work and he is a good guy to deal with). After I cleaned everything up, I covered everything with oil (the specks you see are just lint from a Q Tip), and let it sit overnight. That's when I took this photo:

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One more picture for tonight, just to show the bore on the original barrel. This is the one that I want to keep intact...numbers to the gun, and although the importer has very discreetly stamped their mark over the serial number, the serial number is still legible. Really nice rifling, and the little speck you see is just lint:

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Well, that's all for right now, but I just wanted to share the beginnings of one of my "gun projects". I'll be back with additional posts to keep you up to date with how things are going.

Thanks to all who were inspirations for this project!! And thanks to everyone for letting me share!!

Best Regards, Les
 
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I would love to do something like that, too. I just need to find a suitable gun and the $ to trick it out. I'm looking forward to seeing your progress.
 
I got the popcorn and beer all set up.. Looking forward to watching the progress.
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With all the big holes in the barrel and cylinder of that gun, you will be surprised how light it is for carry.
 
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I think I am about done with project guns, but of course as soon as you say something like that... :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'll be interested in how your project turns out. Keep us well informed. And I agree with Iggy. That gun with those big holes and skinny, non-ribbed barrel shouldn't weigh too much - but it will be BIG! :D Good luck! :)
 
Hey Les,

Lovin' your project.

My last 1917 proj was for a friend.

1917 Barrel Conversion Project

He got this WW I 1917 Army pretty cheap; all original except it had a cut down .455 Mk II barrel (bore dimensions all wrong for 45 ACP.)
Here it is converted to a barrel w/shroud the way the factory should have made them pre war, (at least after the military production), the same as the 1st and 3rd models 44 Military and 38/44 HD.
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Now it has a factory pre war style 4" non-ribbed, tapered, and shrouded barrel from a Stainless Mtn Gun target barrel from which I removed the rib, fully rounded, and blued. I should have finished the barrel with a finer grit to better match the original WW I blue. Next time I have stainless blued I'll know to match the polish better. Mushroom knob replaced with proper vintage shrouded extractor rod with 'barrel' style knob.

Made a half penny front sight blade replacement (pinned into base). It's a full 1/10" wide and the rear sight notch has been opened up to target sight notch width of .124":

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Should have been a simple barrel change if I could have found a Classic or Thunder Ranch 1917 Model barrel. But all I could acquire is a SS tapered target barrel for a 45 Colt Mtn Gun:

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Notice late model shrouds have the shroud bulge on the right side that extends all the way to the front. So that was another contour I had to add to match the pre war (and earlier post war) contour shown here on a pre Model 26:

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I milled off the rib and milled down the integral front sight base to match the pre war integral fixed sight base:

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Here is the rough milled barrel mounted on the gun:

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Wow, Jim!!

That's a pretty snazzy conversion!! Thanks for sharing with me!! One of the ideas that had been floating around in my head is the point that Iggy makes about the weight of the big bores. Even with the full length barrel, the 1937, and its parent 1917 are pretty light... I love the look of the shrouded barrels, and one day would love to find a four inch 44 3rd model with the coin front sight. (I would be tempted to buy one of the Thunder Ranch models, but I don't care for the flashy gold logo, and I think they have an Internal Lock, and that is a deal breaker for me.

Anyway, I'm hoping to keep the weight down, and converting the 1917 barrel seems one part of the equation. Not to mention that many of the operations that you have done are way above my technical ability!!

Best Regards, Les
 
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You've got a great start, Les. You know we will all be watching and waiting for updates along the way. What you are planning is something I've long thought about doing. Iggy's very nice revolver sure made that itch need scratching, and now you've made it worse!

I've got a nice 1917 that somebody decided needed nickel plating somewhere along the way. They did a good job, too good to mess with, but I'd rather start with a parked model anyway. My copy shoots great but it just doesn't seem to be a good one to start this kind of project with. I'd be tickled with the barrel length to be just about the same as Iggy's. I'm sure it could be done nicely but it would need to have at least the barrel re-nickeled and I'm just not a fan of nickel plating. Guess the whole thing could be stripped of the nickel and re-parked.

Anyhow, you've got me thinkin' about it again. I wish you the best of luck with your project. It's a grand plan! Besides, I have very serious doubts that Iggy's fine example will ever be for sale in his lifetime!!!!!
 
You guys are going to cause me to part with some hard money. I've one of the 1937 Brazilian revolvers and although the bore isn't the best it does shoot decently and I have a new old stock original barrel for it. Will most likely will have to get it heavily bead blasted as it has pitting all over. As for the fronk sight maybe SDM will make me up one of their gold beaded front sight inserts. Has a set of smooth grips on it. We'll see. Frank
 
dixie-

Remember what Gen. Patton said about pearl grips? That's a clue as to who likes nickel guns and gold hammers and triggers. And big Cadillacs.

If I said more, it'd probably get a moderator after me on this board...

If I was rich and got a Brazilian M-1917, I'd just restore it to original condition and load .45 AR brass with 250 grain Keith bullets to about 875 FPS. Would use Magna grips, maybe with Tyler adaptor.

I don't like the concept of large frame revolvers with short barrels. I think Chic Gaylord expressed my feelings well.

The closest I can come along these lines is a M-1950 Military or Target .44 with four-inch barrel.

But I wish Les B. luck in achieving his goal. The resulting gun should be interesting to see. Les, what velocity with which load are you going to try for?
 
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Some really nice shooters here guys. I really like big-bore snubbys.
I have a 1917 with 625-10 barrel at the refinishers now but here's 2 others that I keep around.
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ETA:
First is early 4 digit 1917, second is Brazilian (first contract 1937).
The 1917-10 (1917 w/ 625-10 barrel) should be ready any time.
 
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Jack,

Very nice. The hammer mod on the first one is unique. Probably really improves the thumb purchase on the pre war hammers which can be a little hard to cock for SA shooting.
 
Thanks Jim. Yes, that hammer is a little different but does feel good although I seldom shoot it SA.
I'm dealing on a 1917 snub similar in looks and condition to the first one above but is a commercial model that someone cut down.
 
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