Model 19 No Dash

[HYPURR]

Hello to all, a Model 19 No Dash has come up for sale local to me. Not having a lot of older model experience; hoping for additional info from those that know more than I.

SEE attached pics.

Gun appears unfired and owner believes so. Smallish turn line but excellent condition. Target stocks may or may not be numbered (he has not pulled them off ever)? Decoding the Serial K450....I think this is a 1961 manufacture.

Any thoughts or input to be aware of as I consider this purchase?

Thanks in advance for the help. Best, Dave

 

[damascusdave]

It is always easier to come by more money than it is to come by another gun like that.

 

[Targets Guy]

Based on your photos if you like the price buy the gun. I paid $600 for this Model 19-2 which shipped in 1968. It has the 3 T's; target stocks, hammer and trigger and shoots very good.

 

[BAM-BAM]

From the picture ....it looks like some muzzle wear and "issues" above the cylinder release.................... so carried but not shot? Check the recoil shield around the firing pin for loss of bluing from recoil.


That said: really nice shooter grade.

IIRC target stocks were never numbered to the guns.......

no dash so it's Pinned and recessed........................ my WAG $500-650 in this market if you could find one for sale in a local shop.

 

[scooterfiend]

TTT

I'm thinking (oh, oh) that OP's 19 has target hammer and trigger too. Not sure if that bumps the price up, it would sure bump up my interest.

 

[zonker5]

What is the asking price?

 

[jack the toad]

Certainly worth pursuing IMO. Pics look good, so besides the normal function checks, the determining factor is price. Assuming gun only... has seller priced it yet???

 

[Targets Guy]

I'm thinking (oh, oh) that OP's 19 has target hammer and trigger too. Not sure if that bumps the price up, it would sure bump up my interest.

Yep. OP's has the 3 T's as well. IMHO.

 

[HYPURR]

CA is La-La Land

Thanks to all for their replies.

Having grown up in the West San Fernando Valley (outside LA) and still live here it's not what it used to be. About the only thing any politician here will let me carry is my phone, wallet and keys. If I could my original 1989 6906 (of course with CA 10-round mags-another sore subject) would be on my hip.

This is a SoCal sale and pricing is as such. Our Roster is F'g Bull**** helping pricing jump for Off-Rosters in the past few years.

Seller is asking $1200 for the gun only. IMHO it's worth CA- $1050 (I Can hear Mid-West and East Coast sighs from here).

As a reference I sold one of my Model 66-2/Non P&R; BNIB for $1200 last April. I know crazy but true. I passed on a BNIB 586 No Dash for $1100 last month here. Rather have a P&R K Frame...

We'll see how I progress with this. Best, Dave

 

[999rvlvrfan]

I was under the impression that pre-lock guns were really hard to sell in CA - or maybe that just applies to shipping one "into" California. An attorney in LA was having trouble purchasing my 19-3 - he referenced this link which seems to be under maintenance now....

 

[HYPURR]

Pre Lokz

Shipping here is the issue. Per our fearless leaders anything not on the current roster is not safe! Yes, BS fer sure...

Pre Locks are the only type of Wheelgun worth anything. Who wants Hillary's Hole in their gun?

 

[larryofcc]

No dash M19's are fairly scarce. The early pre M19's are fairly rare. I gave $1,100 for my no dash M19 and it is drippy mint. On the other hand I gave $1,250 for my also drippy mint, pre M19 and was glad to get it. It was my Grail Gun at the time.
Very few of these had numbered stocks. The early guns had walnut targets and a couple years later, they used the Goncalo Alves type. Just jacked up the price by $10. I think I would buy the mentioned revolver, especially with TT and TH. Big Larry

 

[1angrycat]

If you are comfortable with the price and the condition buy it.
IMHO it is hard to beat a M19 with a four inch barrel or a M27 with a five inch. Those two have always looked perfectly 'balanced' to the eye to me.

 

[jack the toad]

Some nice 19's in this thread. Thanks for posting.
Here's my most recent from last year at Tulsa.

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[sbowenjr]

I am not familiar with prices where you live. With the muzzle wear I believe the price is very steep. I paid 1750 for one that was LNIB all original. But it was LNIB.As to the grips being numbered i have only seen that on very early Pre 19s aka Combat Magnums without model stamping. In my neck of the woods I would guess 750 to 800.00 for the one pictured. The early Combat Magnums sometimes had numbered grips and I do have one with numbered matching grips. But I had a article generously given to me from Doc44 (Thanks again DOC) that states it was not uncommon for the grips to not have matching numbers on the Pre 19. If my eyes are awake I see muzzle wear. So if you are buying it for a shooter that's where I would set my price range. If you are buying a collector price I would keep looking as I believe you can find a better condition one. They do come up. Welcome to the crazy world of Combat Magnum collecting! When I first started i would buy what ever i could get. Now I just try and find pristine examples. Also I am not sure the grips on the one he is trying to sell are correct for that era. Notice the lower right corner of the curve on the one you pictured and compare the lower right corner of jack the toads 19-1. I was educated if you will by another forum member about that. The slight curve was typically on 19-2 models where as the earlier revisions had a sharper angle.
That can be challenging and very expensive!

 

[sbowenjr]

Some nice 19's in this thread. Thanks for posting.
Here's my most recent from last year at Tulsa.

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Did you letter that 19-1? It looks awesome. I have a blued one but I am looking for a numbers matching one with a box. As I said above it is a challenge.

 

[jack the toad]

Thanks.
Not lettered but shipped July '62.

 

[HYPURR]

Thanks for reminding me i live in CA

While I certainly appreciate the "it's worth only this..." Walk a mile in my shoes here in SoCal. Unless you live here, buy and sell guns here you just have no understanding of what's available, what comes available and what you do if you find one available.

Yes I bought it and it will reside in my S&W Magnum collection. And already sent off to Roy J for the letter.

A fool and his money...not quite...now I have one and the other Californians don't. This is a chitty libro haven. All working against me and those like me. We cannot be trusted and certainly must be evil. Can't wait till the "ammo ban" starts Jan 1st.

If I did not grow up right where I live, my business of 36 years was not my business of 36 years, my family and friends weren't here, my Pops and MIL weren't here and our son didn't live and go to grad school here...you get my drift?

...I need a drink...

 

[iPac]

While I certainly appreciate the "it's worth only this..." Walk a mile in my shoes here in SoCal. Unless you live here, buy and sell guns here you just have no understanding of what's available, what comes available and what you do if you find one available.

Yes I bought it and it will reside in my S&W Magnum collection. And already sent off to Roy J for the letter.

A fool and his money...not quite...now I have one and the other Californians don't. This is a chitty libro haven. All working against me and those like me. We cannot be trusted and certainly must be evil. Can't wait till the "ammo ban" starts Jan 1st.

If I did not grow up right where I live, my business of 36 years was not my business of 36 years, my family and friends weren't here, my Pops and MIL weren't here and our son didn't live and go to grad school here...you get my drift?

...I need a drink...

I guess you "gotta do what you gotta do" if you want to buy certain types of guns in Cali.

Just for reference, I see older model 19s pop up locally for around $500, maybe slightly more like $550 or $600 depending on condition/etc.

I think if I had to pay CA prices, I probably wouldn't buy anything. Just not worth it to me personally. So I feel for you guys. On the other hand, I could use CA prices to make myself feel better about the one and only purchase I just had to have and it cost me a premium.

 

[old bear]

Yes I bought it and it will reside in my S&W Magnum collection. And already sent off to Roy J for the letter.

I understand Ca. prices are nuts, but when will you find another model 19 like the one you just got.

Good For You.