Is the Slide fire going to be history?

[LVSteve]

I agree. He was, at least initially, engaging an area target and more rounds before they scattered was probably a key reason for the high number of casualties. A bump fired AK or AR isn't accurate, but the resulting dispersion is actually more effective on an area target. It's the reason infantry machine guns rely on some degree of dispersion and a cone of fire to be effective, rather than putting one round directly behind the last one.

In olden times it was called "beaten zone". One of the criticisms of the Bren gun was that it was too accurate, limiting its beaten zone.

 

[LVSteve]

Hilary tweeted about the crowd running after they heard gunshots. However, I suspect with the guy shooting from within a room 32 floors up and 400 yards away, the crowd was responding much more to the cracks of the supersonic bullets going by then they were to the actual report of the rifle. But a quote like that will take on a life of it's own and be considered to be irrefutable fact.

"Crack and thump" is something that not everyone can grasp, even if they want to.

 

[old tanker]

Actually, one of the cell video clips one the news was recorded well back from the stage and all you hear is the sound of the gunfire, "pop pop pop..." In another clip, the sound is a sharp crackling intermixed with popping. That one was obviously recorded in the impact area. The crack is from the supersonic bullet, (and you always have to explain that you hear that first) the thump from the gunshot. The idea of the bullet getting there before the sound of the shot always seems to be a difficult concept for some folks to grasp. (You have to slowly explain supersonic means FASTER than sound, duh)

Soldiers with combat experience know the phenomenon well. The Hildebeest, instead of her predictable pandering should have "remembered" hearing that while she was running from the sniper fire in Bosnia...

 

[codenamedave]

Pretty much all the media reports I've seen just said "bump stocks" as opposed to slide fire, but yeah I know what you mean. When I saw the pics from the room I thought "So long, fires bump and sure."

Judging from the videos I've watched, the bump stocks are faster than the binary triggers, which have a more relaxed pace like was heard in the footage from the shooting. Not that it helps our case, but apparently the sicko didn't know how to set up the guns nor run them at their peak.

Another aspect of this is that one of the arguments against demonizing legally owned full autos was that only rich people could afford one. Now here we have a filthy rich guy who owned a couple planes using "the poor man's SAW".

 

[gwpercle]

They also mentioned scopes.......he had scopes!!!!

A gun by itself will kill everyone in sight. A gun with scopes and bipod and slide fires....oh my.....will kill everyone tomorrow, today!

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I respectfully have to disagree, a gun by itself doesn't kill. A human has to be involved somewhere in the equation.

None of my loaded guns ever so much as fired a single round by themselves...they just lay there.
Gary

 

[OLDSTER]

There are some pictures going around on facebook, and I didn't see a slide fire stock. I am betting the guns were illegally modified.

I agree: the mainstream media will jump at anything that sounds like it may be the answer to the alleged "machine gun" theory, to be the first network to get it out. I don't think any gadget was used; I agree with nimbly that these weapons were illegally modified.

 

[rwt1405]

I agree: the mainstream media will jump at anything that sounds like it may be the answer to the alleged "machine gun" theory, to be the first network to get it out. I don't think any gadget was used; I agree with nimbly that these weapons were illegally modified.

I'm not sure if you looked at the pictures Arik placed in his post, but if they are truly pictures from the scene, there is a Slide Fire clearly seen.

The Sheriff yesterday also stated that at least one rifle had a bump stock in place.

While he certainly may have modified some of his other rifles, there seems to be no doubt that at least one of those used a Slide Fire, and I'm not sure what makes you think he didn't?

Perhaps you can enlighten me to what I'm missing.

 

[rwt1405]

I respectfully have to disagree, a gun by itself doesn't kill. A human has to be involved somewhere in the equation.

None of my loaded guns ever so much as fired a single round by themselves...they just lay there.
Gary

I hate to speak for Arik, but have you ever heard of the term SARCASM?

If you haven't, I recommend that you look it up.

I realize sarcasm can at times be difficult to understand (on an online forum), but really, this wasn't that hard.

 

[rwt1405]

Pretty much all the media reports I've seen just said "bump stocks" as opposed to slide fire, but yeah I know what you mean. When I saw the pics from the room I thought "So long, fires bump and sure."

Judging from the videos I've watched, the bump stocks are faster than the binary triggers, which have a more relaxed pace like was heard in the footage from the shooting. Not that it helps our case, but apparently the sicko didn't know how to set up the guns nor run them at their peak.

Another aspect of this is that one of the arguments against demonizing legally owned full autos was that only rich people could afford one. Now here we have a filthy rich guy who owned a couple planes using "the poor man's SAW".

I'm by no means an expert, however, the Slide Fire is, to the best of my knowledge, a form of a "bump stock".

Perhaps you are more knowledgeable then me and can help educate me on what exactly the Slide Fire is, if not a "bump stock"?

 

[Arik]

I respectfully have to disagree, a gun by itself doesn't kill. A human has to be involved somewhere in the equation.

None of my loaded guns ever so much as fired a single round by themselves...they just lay there.
Gary

Then you clearly missed the point

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[Arik]

I hate to speak for Arik, but have you ever heard of the term SARCASM?

If you haven't, I recommend that you look it up.

I realize sarcasm can at times be difficult to understand (on an online forum), but really, this wasn't that hard.

Thank you!

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[PPS1980]

Slide fires mentioned in the news, but so were tripods, which would not work with each other. There's a distinct lid on what is coming out about the firearms and the perpetrator. I agree that the anti-sharks are circling and a united front response is required.

The media are decidedly ignorant about firearms as we all know too well. Apparently so are most of their "experts".

The photos that have emerged thus far show tripods with cameras attached for videoing the event by the shooter, not tripods for mounting weapons. Also, at least two weapons have been shown with BIpods attached with the expected limited length typical of them for prone shooting.

Remember that the media raced to the conclusion that these were "automatic weapons" and "converted to full automatic". I told my son, after listening to audio of the shooting, that it was either binary triggers or slam fired weapons but decidedly not fully automatic fire that was occurring.

Remember, in every mass shooting the media has been completely and utterly wrong on nearly every "fact" relating to the weapons in the first 48-72 hours. Wait, be patient, and be skeptical at this point.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'm by no means an expert, however, the Slide Fire is, to the best of my knowledge, a form of a "bump stock".

Perhaps you are more knowledgeable then me and can help educate me on what exactly the Slide Fire is, if not a "bump stock"?

Kleenex/tissue . . .

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Endless so-called experts have been running their mouths for a couple days... I'm not sure how many of them know what they're talking about.

For example, John Lott was interviewed by the media. He was convinced it was automatic gunfire and went into explanations about the NFA and how difficult is was to acquire these type of guns. Ex Secret Service, Don Bongino, did the same.

But while I was listening to these guys I'm thinking that the rate of fire sounded slow and uneven for automatic gunfire and sounded more like a Slidefire, and because of the extended round count during firing I thought something like Magpul's drum or Surefire's 60/100 magazines were used. Just passing thoughts really, not like I had given it any serious thought like these so-called experts supposedly do. Sure enough, the pics recently released show that's what it was.

Quite frankly, I'm rather suspicious of commentary about firearms in the news, even from pro gun 'experts'.

 

[phoebeisis]

AR'S on gun deals-jumped up $100

I check slick deals gun deals daily
ARs immediately went up about $100
but some didn't
Same story after poor Steve Scalise was shot
But after a few weeks prices dropped to even lower levels
The days when the gun sellers could reap windfall profits from gun scares are over
Rep president Rep congress
only a fool would buy High now

Now the slide fire devices-yeah they will stay up
who cares-if I ever have to use my AR-don't hunt so it would be self defense
I won't want to spray 5-10 rounds at a time
and my guess is I will probably grab a hand gun-middle of suburbia don't want to carry 1000 yards kill neighbors or neighbors pets
plus handgun a lot easier to manipulate-not as easy to grab
granted much less lethal-but good enough

 

[LoboGunLeather]

The shooter was not aiming at individuals but at a distant crowd, so dumping a bunch of bullets into the crowd, before they figured out what was happening and scattered, was probably his top priority.

I suspect we will hear more about 50 and 100 round magazines in addition to bump stocks.

Agreed. Essentially, this bozo was engaging "area targets" rather than aiming at any specific individual. Note that only about 10% of his victims were killed out of more than 500 actually hit (not to make light of the horrors of this violent attack, just commenting on the differences between accurately aimed fire and massive numbers of rounds launched into groups of people).

We are sure to hear of legislative proposals to regulate or ban bump stocks, semi-auto firearms in general, magazines over certain capacities, and every other knee jerk reaction following horrific acts of insane violence.

 

[Nutsy13]

We are sure to hear of legislative proposals to regulate or ban bump stocks, semi-auto firearms in general, magazines over certain capacities, and every other knee jerk reaction following horrific acts of insane violence.

Republicans are saying they have no issue banning them so it will probably happen the first time they get a chance to vote on it.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Could be prohibited in many states
Might even get done in by Congress

Don't have one and would be fine to see it go

I also have no problem limiting centerfire rifle mags to 10 and pistol mags to 10, 12 or 15

 

[Arik]

Don't have one and would not object to its demise

Why?

This is the problem with gun owners. Anti gunners are united in their quest to disarm everyone. Meanwhile gun owners are ok with things getting banned as long as it's not something they're into. I don't have one either. Nor do I have an Taurus Judge or a Shockwave or any other useless gimmick (in my opinion) but I have no problems with their existence or people owning them.

Remember your pretty blued and Walnut hunting rifles are just long range sniper rifles capable of killing from miles away and chambered in calibers capable of bringing down an elephant! Those can kill several people with one bullet. What civilian needs that?

Have you seen what destructive power a shotgun has at close range? Not to mention that each shot has the potential to kill at least 8 people. That's like a full auto! What civilian needs that?

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[GF]

I think the slide fire will go away. As in legislated away.
And if the suppressor bill has been tabled too, the camel's nose is definitely Under the Tent.

GF