Is the Slide fire going to be history?

[Arik]

I'd say that guy is hosed.

There are busloads of plaintiff's attorneys drawing straws to see which one will be the one to sue him into oblivion. Yes, his product was legal. But it only takes one sympathetic jury to believe the only use for his product was hosing down a large crowd of people. And I don't believe the Protection In Lawful Commerce In Arms Act will cover them.

If the NRA spends a dime of my dough tilting against this particular windmill..............

I agree but the way I see it you don't want your money spent on this fight. Later on maybe I don't want my money spent on another and the end result is we're left with nothing because we don't care enough about each other. I see the slide fire as no different than the folding stocks or barrel shroud or pistol grips. All of which are illegal somewhere. This weekend I spend two days at a friend's house in upstate Pa on the border with NY. We did a hipower shoot and except for him and I the rest of the guys were from NY. You should have seen their setups. No pistol grip, half a grip, stock and grip as one, chopped up muzzle devices...it was unreal. All because someone didn't want to fight for it (I understand it's a little more complicated than that, especially with NY).

In my opinion it WILL gradually be do you need 6 rounds, do you need a 32? Do you need to hunt? Do you really need to defend yourself when you have insurance?

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[moralem]

If the NRA spends a dime of my dough tilting against this particular windmill..............

Then I will kick 25 cents in to make up for your 10cents........somebody is going to get my money and it isn’t going to be government. And it is also going to the small business that is going to get hosed by the feds......to each their own.

 

[rednichols]

After the reports from Las Vegas about the Slide Fire being involved in his weaponry, I imagine that will be forefront in the anti- gun attacks.
I don't own one but I believe that they will be a focus of the antis.

Will they be history? I would bloody well hope so.

After hearing the thump thump firing in Vegas, I finally gave up on persuading my Aussie wife to retire with me in America. Ever.

My last trip to SHOT with her a few years ago, after a 20 year absence from that venue, I thought, "this is what you lot have been spending your time developing? And silencers?! And open carry?!!"

Y'all have lost the plot. To the point where my own country, USA, is no longer welcoming to an American citizen like me. I've avoided unnecessary dangers all my life and it's not going to change now.

God be with you all in your time of need.

 

[sigp220.45]

Third: I cannot recall anyone calling for common sense restrictions on any of the provisions of the First Amendment. Such as restrictions on the Freedom of the Press.

There are tons of restrictions on the freedom of the press. They can't publish libelous statements with malice, they don't have unrestricted access to prisons, military bases, or other restricted areas. They can be jailed if they don't reveal certain sources. They can't have cameras in certain courtrooms. The freedom of the press is far from absolute.

A bump-fire stock isn't a firearm (and plenty of those are restricted, too). Its an accessory, and a pretty dumb one at that.

A ban on these is not only inevitable now, it is probably constitutionally sound. If the feds don't do it, plenty of states will, with probably far more reaching effects.

 

[gman51]

I almost bet the bump fire systems will be outlawed. In essence it makes a semi auto a full auto action. I saw a video of a guy emptying a 100 round drum in less than a minute using a bump stock.

Yep I do believe it will be outlawed is for any reason it will be considered making the gun full auto action. You need a permit to own a full auto and I bet the bump stock will be classified the same category.


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[petepeterson]

Third: I cannot recall anyone calling for common sense restrictions on any of
the provisions of the First Amendment. Such as restrictions on
Freedom of the Press.

You haven't? Really?

I'm pinning my hopes to the fact that our useless Congress fails to ever get anything important done... Now if it was declaring September 23rd "National Caboose Day" or something, I would be more concerned...

 

[jag312]

Senator Feinstein is introducing a Bill to ban Bump Fire and Trigger Cranks.

I am okay with this, but it should be combined with some pro-2A stuff like national concealed carry and allowing the shipment of handguns and ammo through the Post Office.

How about opening the last 60 days of the 1968 amnesty and ending the Hughes Amendment from 1986?

 

[SC_Mike]

"Is the Slide fire going to be history?"

IMHO, no. They may be outlawed but I'm certain there are thousands of such devices out there, all unregistered, and most likely will be changing hands at a premium price on the street if made illegal so if you want one you can still get one. There's a trick with a shoestring or jeans with a belt loop. Are they going to outlaw shoes strings? No, most likely they will try to make semi auto rifles illegal, mag cap restrictions, pistol grips etc.

What I see as more of a problem are the antis, some who know little to nothing about firearms, getting the other antis and the other low firearm information public behind them, including lawmakers and going after drastic changes to owning firearms and their types.

Just my .02.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I only have three comments which pertain to the issue in question:

Third: I cannot recall anyone calling for common sense restrictions on any of
the provisions of the First Amendment. Such as restrictions on
Freedom of the Press.

You can't shout "Fire" in a crowded theater . . .

 

[Muss Muggins]

Will they be history? I would bloody well hope so.

After hearing the thump thump firing in Vegas, I finally gave up on persuading my Aussie wife to retire with me in America. Ever.

My last trip to SHOT with her a few years ago, after a 20 year absence from that venue, I thought, "this is what you lot have been spending your time developing? And silencers?! And open carry?!!"

Y'all have lost the plot. To the point where my own country, USA, is no longer welcoming to an American citizen like me. I've avoided unnecessary dangers all my life and it's not going to change now.

God be with you all in your time of need.

If you have your wish, you're about to go out of business as a holster maker. I've been watching your diatribes about the Glock with suspicion, and I guess I never noticed you live in Australia now. Stay there . . .

(PS: I've decided that there's a new issue that has caused you to start posting. If you are indeed Red Nichols, I now understand your angst. I've been thinking ever since your Fall of the House of Heiser thread that some crazy old man got hold of your account. Now I get it. Seek help. Aging is hard. I hope you're not still driving)

 

[Guevera]

Not to sound like I am a thousand years old, but I remember when I was a teenager ordering a "BMF Activator," which me and a buddy screwed on a Marlin Model 60 with a squirrel pressed into the stock. We finally got that thing lined up right and let loose a dozen .22 rounds in a couple of seconds. We called it the "Squirrelnakaov."

Tin cans danced and cheap Kmart ammunition was gleefully wasted in the process as .22 brass poured out the side of that poor old Marlin. Boy, that was a lot of fun and a long time ago.

Compare that with the story of the f***up in Las Vegas - what a shame the world has changed its ways.

 

[WCCPHD]

You can't shout "Fire" in a crowded theater . . .

That's settled law. Have you heard anyone speak of any further restrictions on the so called "press?" The anti's are clamoring for more restrictions on the Second Amendment daily.

I just find it ironic that the 24/7 entertainment medium that hides behind the name "press" hides behind the First Amendment in their zeal to deny those they don't agree with the protections afforded by the Second Amendment.

 

[Muss Muggins]

That's settled law.

Agreed. And it's a direct refutation of your statement:

Third: I cannot recall anyone calling for common sense restrictions on any of
the provisions of the First Amendment. Such as restrictions on
Freedom of the Press.

 

[Xfuzz]

As normal a lot of huffin and puffin..grandstanding
by the elected official's. Much speculation by gun owners
and dealers. Buy this "it's gonna get Banned" stock up
on this(whatever)..always the monster under the bed.
Within 30 days it will be a forgotten event with only those
who lost a loved one to mourn.
Sad..

 

[WCCPHD]

There are tons of restrictions on the freedom of the press. They can't publish libelous statements with malice, they don't have unrestricted access to prisons, military bases, or other restricted areas. They can be jailed if they don't reveal certain sources. They can't have cameras in certain courtrooms. The freedom of the press is far from absolute.

A bump-fire stock isn't a firearm (and plenty of those are restricted, too). Its an accessory, and a pretty dumb one at that.

A ban on these is not only inevitable now, it is probably constitutionally sound. If the feds don't do it, plenty of states will, with probably far more reaching effects.

Don't own one, don't want one, don't see the need for one.

That said, the anti's don't look at this like you or I do. Its one more action chipping away at the Second Amendment. Like the anarchists clamoring to ban this or tear down that, the "subject at hand" is not their end game. They don't really care about this accessory. Its just one more tiny step toward their ultimate goal. They are very patient. They see any compromise as a win for them and a loss for anyone who disagrees with them.

As for your comment that if the feds don't the states will, that's directly from their playbook. Chip, chip, chip, anywhere, anytime. No matter how small or potentially insignificant, they see it as a win. A win that emboldens them and that's why I will never agree to give them any quarter.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[keith44spl]

Bump / slide fire............Or just quick on the trigger.

It makes little difference the object when used to cause terror and harm.

It's not what's in a man's hands, but what is in the hearts of men that count.


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[old tanker]

There are still a number of us with NFA firearms who felt betrayed by the NRA when they caved on the Hughes Amendment in passing FOPA in 1986. Do you remember gun writer Jim Zumbo going down in flames over his "who needs..." diatribe on black rifles? With the majority of gun owners NOT being hunters these days, some of them are calling fans of blue steel and walnut bolt guns, by the pejorative, "Fudds."

"Lord" Bensten "reclassified" the Stryker, the Streetsweeper and the USAS-12 as Destructive Devices by unilateral decree when he was Secretary of the Treasury. Calling them 'Designed for Combat,' Bensten directed the ATF to trace owners of the newly reclassified shotguns through manufacturers and dealers to notify them of the changes. Anyone who failed to register a "rapid-fire shotgun" 30 days after being notified was subject to maximum penalties of a 10-year jail sentence and a $250,000 fine.

Just because your favorite gun, or your style of shooting is not PRESENTLY under attack that they are not after yours. After all which one of the anti-gun groups has not had in their charter the goal of a complete end to civilians owning any form of firearm, while at the same time saying, they don't want YOUR gun, only common sense blah, blah blah...

Benjamin Franklin had some damn good advice, "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

A $900 Harbor Freight milling machine and what Mr. Woznicki taught me in Metal Shop in 1962 could turn a paperweight into a felony over a weekend. How will they destroy the knowledge?

 

[WCCPHD]

Agreed. And it's a direct refutation of your statement:

Have you heard any member of Congress or any other elected official, or advocacy group for that matter, discuss placing "common sense" restrictions on the "freedom of the press?"

 

[rwt1405]

If I am more knowledgeable than you, it's in the area of basic English skills, specifically reading comprehension.

All Slide Fires are bump fire stocks, not all bump fire stocks are Slide Fires.

Or did you really think that Jessie meant that only Slide Fires would be banned, and not any other bump fire stocks?

Of course all Slide Fires are bump stocks, but not all bump stocks are Slide Fires, BUT what you wrote is.............

"Pretty much all the media reports I've seen just said "bump stocks" as opposed to slide fire, but yeah I know what you mean. When I saw the pics from the room I thought "So long, fires bump and sure.""

So yes, the media was correct in identifying them as "bump stocks".

Sorry if I hurt your feelings asking for a clarification on what you wrote.

I thought, perhaps, I was missing something, my mistake.

You have a great day there, secret agent man.

 

[Mistered]

I think we need to stand firm on 2nd adm. But use common sense.

I agree but the problem is when the two words 'common sense' get mentioned they IMMEDIATELY become synonymous with 'not committed' with the group of gun owners who are CONVINCED 'common sense' will lead to your wheel guns, levers, bolts etc. being next on the list.