Violence Control.....

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Parents have to be aware that their kids need sex education. Well, some realistic social education is needed just as badly.

That's what we were told in the 60s. As sex education in schools became more prevalent out-of-wedlock birth rates soared off the charts. Another example of social engineering experts telling us what the problem is and solution... the opposite has occurred.

 

[Cardboard_killer]

That's what we were told in the 60s. As sex education in schools became more prevalent out-of-wedlock birth rates soared off the charts. Another example of social engineering experts telling us what the problem is and solution... the opposite has occurred.

I don't believe that sex education had much to do with out of wedlock births. The increase in out of wedlock pregnancies had to do with the lowering of wedding rates among youth. And this was due to the deprecation of Shotgun Weddings, which used to be what happened when someone got someone else pregnant. That changed back in the 60s; men and women stopped getting married just because of a pregnancy.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

A lot of girls found out that teenage pregnancy and illegitimacy was the key that unlocked the door to all sorts of benefits. To quote the late William Raspberry:
"It emancipates them and makes them eligible for welfare and other benefits in their own name."
Watch the video "Swipe Yo' EBT!" then we'll discuss all this talk of "mired in poverty".
Daniel Patrick Moynihan spoke of "defining deviancy down" and Thomas Sowell has spoken of "the loss of civility".
As a pro-lifer I cite the widespread rejection by men of the role of protector and provider and the widespread belief among men noted by Columnist Maggie Gallagher
that the duty of raising and supporting children belongs solely to the mother.
I agree that being obnoxious and ill mannered and inconsiderate is not not grounds for "elimination with extreme prejudice" but as an Army veteran I think we need a civilian version of "a blanket party".
In past message threads board members noted that bullies were often dealt with in a rather rough manner, given a taste of their own medicine.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Welfare... yet another social engineer scheme that's worked out great.

 

[rwsmith]

I think that we put a lot of blame......

That's what we were told in the 60s. As sex education in schools became more prevalent out-of-wedlock birth rates soared off the charts. Another example of social engineering experts telling us what the problem is and solution... the opposite has occurred.

I think we can put a lot of blame on the 'sexual revolution' for that. I don't think that sex education is a bad thing. Especially where diisease is concerned.

 

[rwsmith]

Yes, that....

I don't believe that sex education had much to do with out of wedlock births. The increase in out of wedlock pregnancies had to do with the lowering of wedding rates among youth. And this was due to the deprecation of Shotgun Weddings, which used to be what happened when someone got someone else pregnant. That changed back in the 60s; men and women stopped getting married just because of a pregnancy.

Yes, that too, and other things.

 

[ExcitableBoy]

BLACKHAWKNJ: "...but as an Army veteran I think we need a civilian version of "a blanket party".
"In past message threads board members noted that bullies were often dealt with in a rather rough manner, given a taste of their own medicine."

Part of the solution. Back in the Stone Age I did not tolerate bullies; it was almost a "mission in life" for me to point out the error of their ways, often resulting in someone else's bloody nose, to the point of having a reputation as being "crazy". However, at least not many people ever bothered me again. Nowadays, I would be the bad guy and the bullies would go their merry way to escalate their antisocial behavior with little more than a slap on the wrist, if even that.

I am surprised that no one has even mentioned the contributing factor of massive vaccinations and inoculations that are given soon after birth. Look at the alarming rate of autism and other mental and physical problems resultant. A dozen shots before the age of one year! Good God... their poor little brains and bodies are being fried before they even have a chance at life! Such young bodies and brains cannot handle the chemical overload.

I know that there are doubters and deniers out there, but just check the statistics from, say, 1950 to the present. You will be horrified.

As for violent movies, games, etc., we old farts who played army, cowboys and Indians, etc., knew the difference between play and reality. In current times, the lines are tremendously obscured, and there seems to be little difference in "reality" and "play". New generations have pretty much been "desensitized" to death and violence in an almost Wile E. Coyote vs. Roadrunner way...

The solution? All of the previous, and more...

Like that will ever happen!

 

[rwsmith]

After a whole lot of words......

...this is the bottom line to my idea....

Kids start being conditioned and manipulated early on. They need tools to cope and understand that many people are trying to influence them for their own ends and not for their own good. If people can decide for themselves that something may not be in their best interest, no matter how attractive it is made to sound, they will be more resistant to being manipulated into something like a path of violence.

People keep saying, 'What can we do about this?' I think that teaching our kids more about the REAL world that we live in is something that CAN be done. It isn't going to solve all problems or even stop excessive violence, but it may keep many kids from being funneled down that path where violence is the answer to everything.

 

[Arik]

BLACKHAWKNJ: "...but as an Army veteran I think we need a civilian version of "a blanket party".
"In past message threads board members noted that bullies were often dealt with in a rather rough manner, given a taste of their own medicine."

Part of the solution. Back in the Stone Age I did not tolerate bullies; it was almost a "mission in life" for me to point out the error of their ways, often resulting in someone else's bloody nose, to the point of having a reputation as being "crazy". However, at least not many people ever bothered me again. Nowadays, I would be the bad guy and the bullies would go their merry way to escalate their antisocial behavior with little more than a slap on the wrist, if even that.

I am surprised that no one has even mentioned the contributing factor of massive vaccinations and inoculations that are given soon after birth. Look at the alarming rate of autism and other mental and physical problems resultant. A dozen shots before the age of one year! Good God... their poor little brains and bodies are being fried before they even have a chance at life! Such young bodies and brains cannot handle the chemical overload.

I know that there are doubters and deniers out there, but just check the statistics from, say, 1950 to the present. You will be horrified.

As for violent movies, games, etc., we old farts who played army, cowboys and Indians, etc., knew the difference between play and reality. In current times, the lines are tremendously obscured, and there seems to be little difference in "reality" and "play". New generations have pretty much been "desensitized" to death and violence in an almost Wile E. Coyote vs. Roadrunner way...

The solution? All of the previous, and more...

Like that will ever happen!

There is no direct link between vaccines and autism. If that was the case there would be a lot more autistic people. Vaccines are new. As infants you got them in 1990 and in 1995 and in 1985 ...etc.. I have old fashioned vaccines, where you were scarred at the injection point as proof of having it done. And autism has actually been dropping for the last 10 years after being on the rise. Have we stopped giving vaccines? No! If vaccines are responsible for autism then why would it be dropping? Imagine your kid or grandkid dying because someone else didn't get vaccinated! Why not right!

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[Faulkner]

Frankly, I'm tired of folks blaming movies and video games. . . .

Yep, I think movies and videos are the culprit.

 

[ExcitableBoy]

ARIK:

"About 1 percent of the world population has autism spectrum disorder. (CDC, 2014)

Prevalence in the United States is estimated at 1 in 68 births. (CDC, 2014)

More than 3.5 million Americans live with an autism spectrum disorder. (Buescher et al., 2014)

Prevalence of autism in U.S. children increased by 119.4 percent from 2000 (1 in 150) to 2010 (1 in 68). (CDC, 2014) Autism is the fastest-growing developmental disability. (CDC, 2008)

Prevalence has increased by 6-15 percent each year from 2002 to 2010. (Based on biennial numbers from the CDC)"

The above is quoted from the U.S. Autism Society's web page.

"Vaccines are causing the autism epidemic. Exactly how that is taking place is subject to much discussion both within and without the vaccine safety community – again, vaccine injury denialists claim it never happens. But far too many parents, families, and an increasing number of independent journalists and medical professionals know the truth. Vaccines that are untested and unsafe when given individually or in combinations – whether a mercury-laden flu shot in utero, as many as nine vaccinations at 6 months, or the MMR at age 1 – are clearly implicated. Because that threatens many powerful interests and comfortable orthodoxies, confronting the vaccine-autism link is assiduously avoided."

This is from the Age of Autism. The entire article is a bit to long to repost here.

As I stated, there are deniers. You can cherry-pick all the "facts" you want, but just try to convince all the parents and children who've fallen prey to Big Pharma and the medical industry.

Many are convinced that "bundled" immunizations at very early age cause damage, including those within medicine who pay attention to what's in front of them and not to what is presented to them by others who have a vested (money) interest in vaccines.

Of course, not all children fall victim and develop autism, but the "statistics" you presented are false assumptions on your part. And isn't it possible that many kids who've been "immuno-bombed" have developed other mental and physical disorders which lead to anti-social behavior, the inability to determine right from wrong, and a propensity toward violence?

My stance is that this should be taken seriously. Yes, there are many other factors thrown in that has birthed this current plague of violence. I only posited one of those factors; most of the others have been pretty well covered.

What kind of constructive solutions do you have?

 

[Texas Star]

Not that it has any bearing on your premise, but I believe the "Texas Tower Sniper" (Whitman was his last name, I can't recall the rest) did have, among other firearms, an M1 Carbine. I do not know if he had 15 or 30 round mags, nor how many casualties were the result of fire from the .30 Carbine.

Tim

Going by memory, I think he was Charles Whitman and he caused most casualties with a 'scoped Remington M-700, I think in .243.

I saw a pic of his weapons, inc. some nice stuff, like a Luger with stag-like grips, and a stag-handled Randall Model 1 knife. I think it had a seven-inch blade. I was astonished that someone who'd do what he did would own a Randall knife.

 

[Texas Star]

Not counting the most recent (Church, Vagas, Sandy Hook, Orlando, San Bernardino, Aurora CO, Dylan Roof)

There was...
2013 Washington Navy Yard 12 dead
2011 Seal Beach Cal. 8 killed
2011 Carthage NC. 8 killed
2010 Manchester Conn. 8 killed
2009 Fort Hood 13 dead
2009 Alabama 9 dead
2007 Virginia Tech, 32 dead 17 wounded
2007 Omaha Nebraska 8 killed
2005 Red Lake MN 9 killed
1999 Atlanta 12 dead
1999 Columbine 13 dead
1993 San Francisco 8 killed
1991 Killeen Tx 23 dead 27 wounded
1991 Arizona Buddhist temple 9 killed
1990 Jacksonville FL 9 killed
1989 Louisville KY 8 killed
1986 Edmond Ok. 14 dead 5 wounded
1984 San Ysidro Cal. 22 dead 19 wounded
1983 Seattle. 13 killed
1982 Wilkes Barre Pa 13 dead
1982 Miami FL 8 killed
1966 Austin Texas 17 dead 31 wounded
1949 Camden NJ. 13 dead

Out of those two in 1982 were over 10 deaths. 1966, 1949, 1983, 1986, 1999

1984, 1991, 2007 over 20




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These are all American incidents. My favorite (?) foreign case is that guy in Norway who killed about 80 people.

How many did the Muslims shoot in that French concert hall? And a night club? It was well over 200, I think. They used AK rifles. I forgot what the Norwegian used.But I don't think this means we should ban any particular firearms. The AK's are/were already illegal in France.If our member patvince sees this, he may recall the French figures; he lives near Paris.

I'm talking here of the rifle shootings, not the lethal truck driver who came later. Boy, he also killed a BUNCH of people and maimed others.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

"Vaccines are causing the autism epidemic. Exactly how that is taking place is subject to much discussion both within and without the vaccine safety community – again, vaccine injury denialists claim it never happens. But far too many parents, families, and an increasing number of independent journalists and medical professionals know the truth.

Have no clue but know it's true. Anyone who disagrees is a 'denier'. The mantra of junk science.

 

[Arik]

Mini 14 in Norway

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[JSR III]

I wonder if anyone who has studied the rise in autism has factored in the fact that many couples are waiting much longer to have children. I remember when I was a kid that a neighbor lady got pregnant at like 35 and my mother and a bunch of other moms were all discussing how the baby would most likely be deformed at birth due to her age.

Is it possible that with many couples waiting due to careers and desire to purchase a home and delaying conception until the 30's and 40' is contributing to this situation? I'm not a doctor but merely offer it for your consideration.

 

[rwsmith]

Check out drownings..

As I have stated several times in other threads, 10,000 to 15,000 folks are typically killed each year in the US as a result of drunk driving. That works out to around 27 deaths each and every day of the year (using the lower number). That is equal to a Sandy Hook school shooting EVERY day of the year.

There is no outrage from Washington. You don't see the loud mouth pols jumping ugly to ban booze or cars.

Mostly because most folks like an occasional cocktail and need our cars to get to work.

Guns are a much easier target. Not everyone is into guns and those that aren't see absolutely no reason for anyone to own one.

I also love when the pols attack the NRA like it is some government bureaucracy. Do they not understand that they merely represent the will of nearly 5 million Americans?????

Look at swimming. Thousands of deaths each year. Rather than ban swimming I'd want to teach people how to swim. Kinda the same thing with my thoughts on violence. Teach kids to swim in a world that will draw them in to violence.

And who is the NRA? I'M the NRA and a lot of people like me. It's not my fault that people want to ban guns and blame the NRA for propagating them. And the whole country is victim to gun manufacturers. I don't want to drift my own thread, but what I propose is an alternative to repeatedly screaming, "When will guns be banned?." every time one of these masssacres.

I think it important to offer a more sensible plan of action than constantly fighting gun grabbers. I doubt that it will stop violence, but it may give some kids a chance to grow up without a built in propensity toward violence.

The NRA used to be about EDUCATION. Well, they still are, but all people see are big fights on Capitol Hill. I think that the NRA should be more about education and spend some of that lobby money to show guns in a better light by emphasizing knowledge and safety to the public at large where they live, not just people that are interested in guns.

Enough of my blabby fingers for now.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I wonder if anyone who has studied the rise in autism has factored in the fact that many couples are waiting much longer to have children. I remember when I was a kid that a neighbor lady got pregnant at like 35 and my mother and a bunch of other moms were all discussing how the baby would most likely be deformed at birth due to her age.

Is it possible that with many couples waiting due to careers and desire to purchase a home and delaying conception until the 30's and 40' is contributing to this situation? I'm not a doctor but merely offer it for your consideration.

Sure... just about any causation theory a person can dream up.

New research may help explain why autism is more common among the children of older mothers. The study, in PLOS-Genetics, implicates an accumulation of changes in the mechanisms that control gene activity in the developing brain.

Science News | Autism Speaks

 

[ExcitableBoy]

"Have no clue but know it's true. Anyone who disagrees is a 'denier'. The mantra of junk science."

Quite an informed and well researched retort for a Mod. And the Earth is still flat, too, I know, because some guy on the corner told me so.

Yes, Mr Wizard... you are all knowing and all seeing. I bow to your superior intellect and knowledge.

I'm now certain that you have all the answers to whatever is wrong in the world and can make the sun shine at midnight, too.

Have a nice day.