Violence Control.....

Too much tolerance for obnoxious, inconsiderate anti-social behavior-"He can't help it, he's mental!" De-instutionalizing people with mental problems, dumping them on the community, relying on drugs to control behavior and thinking the latest magic nostrum will get Mr. Jekyll to act like Dr. Hyde. Recreational drug use which burns out brain cells and synapses.
 
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Too much tolerance for obnoxious, inconsiderate anti-social behavior-"He can't help it, he's mental!" De-instutionalizing people with mental problems, dumping them on the community, relying on drugs to control behavior and thinking the latest magic nostrum will get Mr. Jekyll to act like Dr. Hyde. Recreational drug use which burns out brain cells and synapses.
Who has been "de-institutionalized"?

Obnoxious and inconsiderate isn't a sign of a killer. You can be all the obnoxious you want and never hurt a fly.

What are you going to do ticket or fight everyone who's not nice and polite?

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...the population of the USA has doubled since I was born...twice as many people equals twice as many Loonies...and it only takes one on any given day...

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IF YOU INSIST.

we should not only allow,
but insist that every adult be trained and compelled to carry a gun openly in view.


Just call me crazyphil.[/QUOTE]

MANDATORY CARRY??? :eek:
Now that is really crazy. The flipside of the coin where we are NOT ALLOWED to carry. 2 wrongs not making a right ring a bell. Similar to Archie Bunkers solution for airline hijacks, Have the flight attendants give EVERY passenger a gun when boarding. :D
 
...I know this one will never happen, we should not only allow, but insist that every adult be trained and compelled to carry a gun openly in view.

Make it impossible for those so inclined to find a "soft target".

Just call me crazyphil.

Because I respect your knowledge and expertise in the field of vintage gun leather, I won't give in to the temptation to call you crazy, or even crazyphil. I think that would be in poor taste.

What I will do is wait with bated breath for you to come back and post the punchline to what has to be a really bad joke.
 
It started when they took dodge ball away. Little Billy never learned to deal with life because in real life there are balls thrown at you all the time. Then it was everyone should get a participation trophy. Many kids were so sheltered growing up that when they have to face real life situations, they can't.

Add to that the fact that many mothers work now to help support the family so no one is home when kids get home from school. Kids turn to video games for entertainment and many of those are all about killing, slashing and basic mayhem.

Many kids today don't go to church. I am not a holly roller by any stretch but I did go to Sunday school and I think I was given a pretty sound base to build upon.

When my first wife and I divorced, my youngest daughter took it pretty hard. She went into therapy and the doctor prescribed Prozac for her depression. Several years later a study came out and they determined that Prozac could lead to depression. Huh????? I think that the medical community and big Pharma need to take some of the blame here too.

That's all I got.............
 
It is a mental problem, but it goes deeper than that. It starts with a Spiritual problem.
I disagree.

I have no issues with any kind or any ones religion or denomination. Not one! I have good friends from all 3 main religious and we get along fine. I'm totally down with whatever you believe in. If it makes you a better person and a better member of society its a positive thing.

However, as someone who is the furthest thing possible from religious or spiritual I have to disagree. It doesn't take a religious person to be a good human being. BTK was a religious person. Ed Gains was a religious person.... certainly his mother was! There are many other examples.

It's not about religious belief.

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It started when they took dodge ball away. Little Billy never learned to deal with life because in real life there are balls thrown at you all the time. Then it was everyone should get a participation trophy. Many kids were so sheltered growing up that when they have to face real life situations, they can't.

Add to that the fact that many mothers work now to help support the family so no one is home when kids get home from school. Kids turn to video games for entertainment and many of those are all about killing, slashing and basic mayhem.

Many kids today don't go to church. I am not a holly roller by any stretch but I did go to Sunday school and I think I was given a pretty sound base to build upon.

When my first wife and I divorced, my youngest daughter took it pretty hard. She went into therapy and the doctor prescribed Prozac for her depression. Several years later a study came out and they determined that Prozac could lead to depression. Huh????? I think that the medical community and big Pharma need to take some of the blame here too.

That's all I got.............

This kinda goes to my previous post. As someone who's never been taken to a religious institution outside of weddings and funerals my parents still managed to give me a "sound base".

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Finally, and I know this one will never happen, we should not only allow,
but insist that every adult be trained and compelled to carry a gun openly in view.
Make it impossible for those so inclined to find a "soft target".

Just call me crazyphil.

Yeah Boy !!! With nice leather being mandatory.....No plastic. ;):D

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Oh lord no....

Your concerns are well taken, and I do share your sentiments.

However, I must respectfully disagree with your premise: that violent crime has gotten worse over time.

By just about all measures that I have looked at (economists and criminologists, mostly), the rates of violent crime, (assault, agg. assault, including murder), have been dropping at a steady and a consistent pattern since at least the 1970's. The rates of violent crime have been dropping so dramatically that criminologists are searching for an explanation as to why.

I cite these stats all the time (can be found at the Crime Research Prevention Center): The US is a very safe place. Half of all the US counties average zero murders any given year. 25 percent of the counties have only 1 murder a year. And 70 percent of all the murders occur in just 3 percent of the counties.

The psychologist Steven Pinker wrote a book called 'The Better Angels of a Nature'. In it, he catelouges the history of human violence. He concludes that human beings are steadily becoming less violent.

Just think of the mass brutality in the history books. The first 100,000 years of human beings consisted mostly of brutality, tribalism, and murder. When a tribe met a different tribe at their water hole, it always ended with mass genocide. The average lifespan was about 25, and up to half of all deaths were violent deaths.

Now look at antiquity. Civilizations formed, but still the brutality was unimaginable. Think of how blood thirsty the Romans were, with their slavery, murder, and gladitorial combat.

Going into Medieval history, the bloodshed never stops. Read about leaders like Vlad the Impaler, and the mass atrocities that were the norm. Believe it or not, in terms of everyday violence, the 'norm' for most humans that walked the earth was closer to living under ISIS than it is to living in our society today.

Now, we live in a society where murder is rare (~4 per 100,000 in the US). Violence happens, but no where near the scale that humanity is used to. Theres even evidence that non-human primates are becoming less violent.

I understand your sentiments---but I think a big picture look is worth taking too.

I should have clarified that I feel it has gotten worse in the US. If you count Cambodia, Attila the Hun and armies that killed everybody in bloodbaths, heck no. We are much better off here. But in the US.....
 
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I agree, but...

We cannot control other people's behavior, we can only control our own. But that's no longer fashionable. It's always someone else's fault, we're told. Violent-minded people need to man up and look inside themselves. Victims need to stop making excuses for their attackers - white privilege, black victimhood, American "imperialism," prescription drugs, a bad childhood... No, it's you. You chose to hurt someone and you can choose not to.

I'm hoping that people could be taught this at an earlier age and make them more resistant to adopting these destructive ideas.
 
Back in the 70's, state Legislatures were trying to find ways to decrease the budget. State run mental hospitals and associated programs were the first to go. In the 40+ years on, people with mental health issues and that includes some criminal mentally ill, fell into the "public health" private residence system that then formed.

Instead of putting seriously ill mental patients into asylums, they were put in public/private facilities that required SS, insurance or public assistance to provide for the patients. As a result, many psychiatric and mentally impaired patients fell through the cracks and then the flood gates opened. Disturbed patients weren't placed into the system or just walked away and the numbers of disturbed people transitioned or were just there and blended into the normal population without treatment, care or supervision.

Now 40 years later, the population of mentally ill, psychiatric patients and those truly mentally disturbed are considered "normal population" and are part of what we have to deal with on a day to day basis.

As daily stresses and personal interaction apply stress to these people, they snap and all sorts of EVIL occurs.

We can only blame ourselves and the politicians of the past for what we coming in our future!
 
Basically....

I think much of it has to do with publicity. 40 years ago we didn’t have mass shootings and other mass violence like we do today, and I think the reason why is the idea of it wasn’t on the minds of crazy people because it didn’t happen the day before. Put any crazy & violent thoughts out there for everyone to read, and out of 300+ million people, someone will act on it. If mass shootings got zero publicity, my sense is they would not happen. So in a twisted sort of way, mass shootings are done for the media, and for the mass consumption of that news. It’s become a self-perpetuating loop of cause and effect. And there's no way to end it shy of total control of the press and Internet content, so it's here to stay.

Violence and killing are glorified in our society. That needs to change.
 
I agree but I disagree...

Whitman had a 30 carbine.

There have been many many more mass shootings. More then people tend to recall.

The guy in the 50s who killed the people in his neighborhood with a Luger.

A teenage girl in the 70s who killed a bunch of people because it was Monday and she didn't like Mondays.

Those are just two I can think of



There is no ONE answer. People have always been violent and will always be violent. It seems worse now because everything is recorded and reported half a second after it happens and makes it's easy around the world in another 1.2 seconds

People are wild animals that try to act civilized for general survival and they WILL be violent. But I believe that we are stoking that tendency toward violence by reveling and immersing ourselves in it to the saturation point. Therefore MORE people are violent or extremely violent than nature would dictate.
 
A densely populated country like China...

As "American1776" mentioned. The violence in a country of 300+ Million humans is really not that bad. There are vast areas where the rate is at or near zero. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would live on the south side of Chicago. But people do???

And as "vt_shooter" brought up. I do think that a solid week of 24 hour air and newspaper coverage almost promotes some of the more prominent acts of violence. By showing people with mental issues how to go out with a big splash.


Larry
"A gun is like a parachute.
If you need one, and don't have one,
you'll probably never need one again."

China is a more densely populated and the rate of crime is far less.
 
IMO there are too many factors to point to just one. As awful as these killings are, we are in a safe society, no matter what the media tries to convince us otherwise.
 
I maintain.....

we should not only allow,
but insist that every adult be trained and compelled to carry a gun openly in view.


Just call me crazyphil.

MANDATORY CARRY??? :eek:
Now that is really crazy. The flipside of the coin where we are NOT ALLOWED to carry. 2 wrongs not making a right ring a bell. Similar to Archie Bunkers solution for airline hijacks, Have the flight attendants give EVERY passenger a gun when boarding. :D[/QUOTE]

The problem of violence in has little to do with guns or any other weapons. We are conditioned and downright TAUGHT to be violent.
 
No matter what form of spirituality we take...

It is a mental problem, but it goes deeper than that. It starts with a Spiritual problem.

We would all benefit from practicing principles in our daily lives that promote peace instead of violence. And you are right. That has fallen in popularity compared to encouraging violence.
 
As dramatic as these mass shooting are, they arent more than a statistical blip on gun murder numbers. They allow politicians to ignore the source for most of the gun crime. And as bad as things are now, the # of murders and the murder rates were significantly higher during the crack epidemic around 1990
 
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