No more revolvers . . .

[ContinentalOp]

I guess things have changed since the last time I read about NYPD pistols. Last I remember officers had to buy their pistols and could choose between the Glock 19, a S&W (DAO version of the 5906, IIRC), or a DAO Sig P226.

I consider myself a revolver guy, but if I were working in LE I'd want a double-stack 9mm as a primary gun.

 

[ImDrRich]

I guess things have changed since the last time I read about NYPD pistols. Last I remember officers had to buy their pistols and could choose between the Glock 19, a S&W (DAO version of the 5906, IIRC), or a DAO Sig P226.

I consider myself a revolver guy, but if I were working in LE I'd want a double-stack 9mm as a primary gun.

Yes, BUT - I'll bet your BUG would be a S&W revolver!

 

[BillyMagg]

+1 - 15+ beats 6-7 every time

NAH! Revolvers are easier to get that first accurate shot off, and that's still just as easy-peasy with a revolver as an auto pistol..

now if it goes on, then you're absolutely correct, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[ContinentalOp]

Yes, BUT - I'll bet your BUG would be a S&W revolver!

More than likely!

 

[VictorLouis]

I'm a weirdo who's put NY-1 springs into the few Glocks I've tried. Number one, is that the gun would keep shooting if the spring went south (unlikely, sure, but it happens). Number two is that the trigger resistance starts from the beginning of the pull, with less of a 'two-stage' feel like a military rifle. I simply could shoot better with it. That said, I have NOT shot their ridiculous 12lb spring set-up. Thus, I wonder if the rolling DA of a Sig, more like a revolver, would be the better shooter in my hands. The downside would be that absent stainless construction (only on their slides!), the Sig would likely need more attention to corrosion/maintenance than the Glock.

 

[ContinentalOp]

I'm a weirdo who's put NY-1 springs into the few Glocks I've tried.

FWIW, when I had a Glock 23 I used the NY1/"-" connector combo. The pull weight is about the same as the factory trigger, but with resistance for the full length of the trigger pull instead of the 2-stage feel. It also had a stronger trigger reset. It was the closest to the "roll" of a DA trigger I could get with the Glock.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

My guess is that S&W wouldn't modify their M&P to have the heavy NY trigger like Glock has.



Can't say I'm surprised to see revolvers go. I love a good wheel gun, but they wouldn't be my choice as a duty gun anymore. When you take nostalgia out of the picture, there isn't much a revolver can do that a semi auto can't do better, IMHO.


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One thing a semiauto can do better than a revolver is spray a large number of rounds at nothing in particular. Not saying that all semiauto shooters do that, but the level of marksmanship I've seen over the years has deteriorated.

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[.455_Hunter]

Given mandatory semi-auto issue began in the early 90's, I bet the number of officers this will actually impact by next August 31st is almost zero.

Regardless, still a melancholy commentary on today's society that a six-shot .38 is viewed as woefully inadequate for law enforcement in our greatest city.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

Somebody has to get credit for discontinuing revolvers, so that someone else can get credit for bringing them back.

 

[jupiter1]

My guess is that S&W wouldn't modify their M&P to have the heavy NY trigger like Glock has.

You're probably right.

The Kahr K9 was an authorized NYPD off duty gun for quite a few years. It was suddenly deauthorized with little explanation. It was said that for some reason, NYPD decided that the trigger pull was too light. They asked Kahr to increase the weight and Kahr refused. So, they deauthorized the gun and the Cops who had them had to buy a new authorized off duty or carry their service weapon off duty.

 

[Mister X]

My guess is that S&W wouldn't modify their M&P to have the heavy NY trigger like Glock has.

I don't think that's the case considering they already make state compliant m&p models with 10+ lb trigger pulls.

 

[Muss Muggins]

+1 - 15+ beats 6-7 every time

One in the ten ring beats 15 in the gravel every time . . .

 

[njdet354]

M&P

I don't think that's the case considering they already make state compliant m&p models with 10+ lb trigger pulls.

Smith submitted an M&P. It didn't hold up on 10,000 round test.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

"Finest Message" ???????? Doesn't anyone ever proof read these things

 

[WR Moore]

Proof reading appears to be a lost art. I recall a revised version of our return to duty after medical leave policy that required our doctor to run the PT test. The really sad thing is that I'd been on vacation and was the last person in the department (management/supervision included) to read it and no one else had noticed the goof.

I recently started reacquainting myself with revolvers larger than J frames. I've found them very competitive (at least with a trigger that would give NYPD the vapors) with semis-unless you're shooting competition where hundredths and thousandths of a second are significant. The biggest issues are the length of the trigger stroke and reloads. Even with speed loaders, it takes about twice as long to reload a revolver and then there's the capacity thing.

There's also the ammo issue. The big advantage the 9mm used to have is that the velocity range of the ammo is limited. It's easy to optimize bullet performance. With .38/.357 it's humungous. A few ammo makers have recognized the issue and developed different bullets for the 2 calibers, but that isn't widespread.

 

[Sol-Invictus]

One in the ten ring beats 15 in the gravel every time . . .

This reminds me of a couple of weekends ago. I was at the range confirming zero in my muzzleloader after wacking the scope pretty good and when putting it away noticed a box of UMC 125gr SJHP 38 +Ps in the trunk. So I thought I would shoot them while I was there.

In the mean time some very nice young LEOs showed up for yearly back-up gun qualification. They had SW Shields. I grabbed my raggedy beat to heck 642 that I have already had to shim for end shake and peen the yoke a couple of times after going through thicker screws.

They were shooting at 3 and 5 yards and barely keeping the shoots on a piece of computer paper. I was shooting at 25 yards at a 4 inch black circle on a white background. I only missed the circle 2 x's out of 15 rounds. They were in shock. Said they couldn't shoot their duty glocks that well.

I went back and got my new model 66-8 2.75, which is my least accurate 66 snub, but my primary carry. I went to their 5 year target, drew and dumped six right in the middle, did a flawless speedload and dumped in another 6. About that time their instructor showed up and I wished them good luck and left.

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[J. W.]

One thing a semiauto can do better than a revolver is spray a large number of rounds at nothing in particular. Not saying that all semiauto shooters do that, but the level of marksmanship I've seen over the years has deteriorated.

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Agreed. However, I don't think that can be blamed entirely on the gun. I think poor marksmanship is largely the fault of police departments. The truth is that society has changed. Most cops aren't shooters or really even interested in guns these days. The majority of recruits with firearms experience are either hunters or military. Neither of which really produce pistoleros. (with the obvious exception of military SF types)

Now, let's couple the recruit's background with the fact that departments don't foster marksmanship like they did years ago with competitions, etc. Amongst other duties, I'm a firearms instructor for my agency of 170 officers. We get two qualifications and one training day per year. We try to cover basic marksmanship as much as we can, but we also have to cover a myriad of other topics like use of cover, building/ room entries, malfunctions, reloads, etc, etc. We simply don't have the time or budget to make every officer a shooter. Unfortunately, most guys aren't going to put in their own time or dime to improve.

I think a revolver in the hands of most of these officers would change only the round count going down range, not the hit ratio. That's just my 2 cents of course!


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[Fishslayer]

As much as I enjoy revolvers if I was going to do battle with something it would be a semiauto.

FWIW it wouldn't be a Glock, either.

 

[500SNW]

As much as I enjoy revolvers if I was going to do battle with something it would be a semiauto.

Booo...hiss

 

[TomkinsSP]

One in the ten ring beats 15 in the gravel every time . . .

I never understand when I am told semi-autos are more powerful than revolvers of similar size. Comperable size firearm, comperable ammo, 38=9, 44=45.

Unless the tacic of grazing fire has been adopted (and it may well have been). Only hits count, so having a P90 you can't hit anything with is silly (and dangerous to bystanders).

What works for the patrollman, is not ideal for a supervisor or a detective, or an undercover officer, once upon a time the B****** 21a was authorized for certain duties.

Oh well, que sera sera.