No more revolvers . . .

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

Is it 1987? I'm old and can't keep track of time. But I thought this switching from revolvers to autos all happened 30 years ago. Probably just me.

 

[kbm6893]

I'm against the mandatory move. The last service revolver was issued in 1992. The last off duty revolver in 1995 or 1996. It's been 25 years since the last duty revolver was issued and over 20 since the off duty ones were. The vast majority of those cops who had them are retired. Those who aren't have more than likely already switched to the free 9MM offered to them. Those that have kept them surely are not working uniform patrol or enforcement duty. No warrants detective with 25 years on and kicking down doors is still packing a .38.

So for the very few very senior guys who strap on a gun belt once or twice a year (if they can even still fit into their gun belt!) to work a parade with 3000 other cops packing 9MM's aren't in any danger.

It's a superstition thing. Carry a gun for that long and it's bad luck to change. As for ammo cost, PLEASE! 200 cops shooting 200 Rounds a year to qualify isn't gonna break the bank! As for maintenance? For a revolver shot 300 Rounds a year, max? What maintenance?

Let them naturally phase out. Won't be too long now anyway. Anybody who works 25 years or longer as a NYPD cop has earned the right to retire the way they came in if they want to. Turning in your work old friend that has kept you safe for 25 years for a plastic Glock? Just doesn't seem right

 

[J. W.]

Is it 1987? I'm old and can't keep track of time. But I thought this switching from revolvers to autos all happened 30 years ago. Probably just me.

Very true. Revolvers are a generation gone now. Not only has LE moved on from revolvers, but the era of the steel framed semi auto has passed as well. There is a whole generation coming on the job that will know nothing but the plastic fantastics.



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[kbm6893]

Very true. Revolvers are a generation gone now. Not only has LE moved on from revolvers, but the era of the steel framed semi auto has passed as well. There is a whole generation coming on the job that will know nothing but the plastic fantastics.



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There's no reason for that. I can see the rationale for phasing out a revolver, but steel or alloy framed hammer fired weapons are at no disadvantage to a plastic Glock. Weight on a gun belt with belt keepers and I never noticed the difference. Switching to plastic striker was nothing more than money savings on weapons and some training. Officer safety had nothing to do with that.

 

[Arik]

I'm against the mandatory move. The last service revolver was issued in 1992. The last off duty revolver in 1995 or 1996. It's been 25 years since the last duty revolver was issued and over 20 since the off duty ones were. The vast majority of those cops who had them are retired. Those who aren't have more than likely already switched to the free 9MM offered to them. Those that have kept them surely are not working uniform patrol or enforcement duty. No warrants detective with 25 years on and kicking down doors is still packing a .38.

So for the very few very senior guys who strap on a gun belt once or twice a year (if they can even still fit into their gun belt!) to work a parade with 3000 other cops packing 9MM's aren't in any danger.

It's a superstition thing. Carry a gun for that long and it's bad luck to change. As for ammo cost, PLEASE! 200 cops shooting 200 Rounds a year to qualify isn't gonna break the bank! As for maintenance? For a revolver shot 300 Rounds a year, max? What maintenance?

Let them naturally phase out. Won't be too long now anyway. Anybody who works 25 years or longer as a NYPD cop has earned the right to retire the way they came in if they want to. Turning in your work old friend that has kept you safe for 25 years for a plastic Glock? Just doesn't seem right

Why not drive the same car?

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[Arik]

There is a whole generation coming on the job that will know nothing but the plastic fantastics.



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And? How is that relevant to the job? There's a whole generations l of bus drivers that know nothing but automatics!

An employee is given tools to do their job with. Those tools change over time.

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[J. W.]

There's no reason for that. I can see the rationale for phasing out a revolver, but steel or alloy framed hammer fired weapons are at no disadvantage to a plastic Glock. Weight on a gun belt with belt keepers and I never noticed the difference. Switching to plastic striker was nothing more than money savings on weapons and some training. Officer safety had nothing to do with that.

Yep, I agree. I started out with a 4566 then changed departments where I've been carrying a .40 Glock ever since. The weight of the old Smith never bothered me. I've found my 4006 with arched grips point more naturally for me than my Glocks and is much more pleasant to shoot.

And? How is that relevant to the job? There's a whole generations l of bus drivers that know nothing but automatics!

An employee is given tools to do their job with. Those tools change over time.

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It's not, Arik. I'm not complaining, overall I'm satisfied with my Glocks. We're working on securing funding to change to Gen 5 G17's as early as the spring and I'm quite happy about it. As Bob Dylan said, "times, they are a changin'."

I think we all look at the tools we used in our formative years with a bit of nostalgia. Naturally, we also tend to think the new guys are missing out. And naturally, those guys, in 8 or 10 years will look at the new guys then and think they're missing out! Just the cycle of life I guess.




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[kbm6893]

Why not drive the same car?

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Dumb analogy and you know it. Cars don't last 30 years. The revolver carried Today still works just fine, and given that there are so few left in service, and those that are in service are more than likely not seeing any street time since the owner is a senior guy not walking the beat, where's the harm? Within a year or so, they'll all be gone on their own.

And trust me, if cars did last 30 years the job would keep them that long and they wouldn't care about no airbags.

And since off duty revolvers are still in service they'll still have to maintain hem and stock ammo.

 

[Arik]

And naturally, those guys, in 8 or 10 years will look at the new guys then and think they're missing out! Just the cycle of life I guess.




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Yep!

My point wasn't necessary about Glocks, which is why I didn't mention them. It's more about the idea itself. Somehow what was used decades ago is automatically better based on nothing more than looks (for the most part). Cops are given a bunch of tools to use but for some reason the gun becomes a fashion symbol. Same can be said for steel DA vs polymer SF. What's the difference when it comes to use? There's certain positives and negatives in having on or the other but nothing that should preclude one from doing their job.


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[Arik]

Dumb analogy and you know it. Cars don't last 30 years. The revolver carried Today still works just fine, and given that there are so few left in service, and those that are in service are more than likely not seeing any street time since the owner is a senior guy not walking the beat, where's the harm? Within a year or so, they'll all be gone on their own.

And trust me, if cars did last 30 years the job would keep them that long and they wouldn't care about no airbags.

And since off duty revolvers are still in service they'll still have to maintain hem and stock ammo.

They maybe senior but not all are riding desks. And if they are what do they care what hangs of their belt?

Depends on the department. Not all stock ammo for off duty firearms. The largest department (6500 officers) in my area issues 9mm but allows for 40 and 45 on duty as long as you provide your own gun and practice ammo.

I know, when it comes to fuzzy feelings it's all about the money. No one probably cares if radios change but change the gun and all of a sudden it money.


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[Muss Muggins]

No one probably cares if radios change but change the gun and all of a sudden it money.


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Well, in my career we went from analog to repeaters to 800 trunking to digital, and it was a struggle all the way . . .

 

[kbm6893]

They maybe senior but not all are riding desks. And if they are what do they care what hangs of their belt?

Depends on the department. Not all stock ammo for off duty firearms. The largest department (6500 officers) in my area issues 9mm but allows for 40 and 45 on duty as long as you provide your own gun and practice ammo.

I know, when it comes to fuzzy feelings it's all about the money. No one probably cares if radios change but change the gun and all of a sudden it money.


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The NYPD provides all ammo and only authorized ammo may be carried, so they will have to keep ammo on hand and armorers to service the revolvers if necessary.

And the 25 year vet still riding in a radio car is very unlikely still carrying g a revolver. Sure, you might see an old timer with one in uniform, but more than likely he is on a temporary detail.

The transition course is three days off Patrol with an extended meal hour and early dismissal. 99% of guys who want a free pistol have taken advantage of that. Guys who haven't are on the way out and for whatever reason they want to end their career with their revolv r. I say let them. You could attend 5 roll calls a day for a month in NYC and you probably wouldn't see a revolver.

This will affect so few guys still using a revolver as a duty weapon. And they're on the way out the door. The off duty revolver guys are still gonna have to qualify with their off duty weapons. So ammo and armorers aren't going anywhere. Within a few years at most, they'll all be gone on their own.

And I can guarantee you if there were a few police chiefs who didn't want to give them up before retirement, they'd still be authorized.

My uncle did 35 years. Fired his Model 10 more than once. Killed a guy with it. He's been retired for like 10 years but I know he'd hate to turn that in if he was still on the job.

 

[Fredo Batali]

Damn the bad luck! Knothead admin pogues strike again.

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[Muss Muggins]

Aren't you retired out early after only being a cop for like ten years?

The NYPD provides all ammo and only authorized ammo may be carried, so they will have to keep ammo on hand and armorers to service the revolvers if necessary.

And the 25 year vet still riding in a radio car is very unlikely still carrying g a revolver. Sure, you might see an old timer with one in uniform, but more than likely he is on a temporary detail.

The transition course is three days off Patrol with an extended meal hour and early dismissal. 99% of guys who want a free pistol have taken advantage of that. Guys who haven't are on the way out and for whatever reason they want to end their career with their revolv r. I say let them. You could attend 5 roll calls a day for a month in NYC and you probably wouldn't see a revolver.

This will affect so few guys still using a revolver as a duty weapon. And they're on the way out the door. The off duty revolver guys are still gonna have to qualify with their off duty weapons. So ammo and armorers aren't going anywhere. Within a few years at most, they'll all be gone on their own.

And I can guarantee you if there were a few police chiefs who didn't want to give them up before retirement, they'd still be authorized.

My uncle did 35 years. Fired his Model 10 more than once. Killed a guy with it. He's been retired for like 10 years but I know he'd hate to turn that in if he was still on the job.