Anybody have a Remington 141??

[les.b]

I stopped by my friends barbershop today, and a guy had a Remington 141 for sale. Well, you guys know that I can resist everything but temptation!!! He wanted $450, and I offered $400. He accepted. I haven’t even been home, but here’s a quick shot from the iPhone taken at the shop. I’ll get some better photos later.

Anyone know anything about these? I found a website, but haven’t had time to read much yet. I’m thinking about losing the modern scope, and putting on a receiver peep sight. It is tapped for one.

Best Regards, Les

 

[olskool]

the one on the wheel is my model 14 carbine

made in 1912 ant the other is my 141 transition model made in 1935 both are in 30 rem. and shoot great, what cal. is yours? it looks like a good one,,,,,,,,,,

 

[chief38]

Les,
NICE!!!

I know little about them but yours appears to be in great shape! What caliber is it chambered for? Remington made some fine rifles back in "the day". Use it well!


olskool:

The furniture on yours is spectacular!!

 

[30-30remchester]

Designed by the man John Browning called the greatest gun designer to ever live. The mans last name was Peterson and he designed several guns for Remington including the models 12, and 25 as well as their early model 51. The interesting thing about the design of the models 12, 14 and 25's is though they have a magazine tube under the barrel, they do not feed as other under barrel tubed guns do. The entire tube is attached to the follower and elevator and the entire tube moves forward and back rather than staying stationary. A unique but weird feeding system. The one statement often mentioned about Peterson was that he was an over complicated in his designs. The joke went that he was able to use 12 parts in his gun designs where one would has sufficed. I am not a Remington fan but these were designed and built in a long ago time when Remington took pride in their work. Made of milled steel and walnut not plastic and cast of these days. A Remington executive was asked to re-introduce this model. His reply was that it would cost $5,000 in todays money to build one. Always a sign of quality for me was the way the model 14's front sight ramp was attached to the barrel. Most are soldered on. Remington 14's were actually milled into the barrel the same way Winchester and Savage had done in years past. I have a model 14 in 35 Remington and I just cant get that warm and fuzzy feeling about it. Neat guns.

 

[bearfoot]

les, thought it was only made in the 35. when i bought the weapon received a home made box., 4 rds. of 200 gr. hollow points. maybe made by UMC, have to check. have a part that workks inside the action. have to find it. i'll look up the item. when i got it 40+ yrs. ago it had about almost no blueing on the weapon, no rust. good shooter, suggestion, shoot it standing up before shooting it off the bench, sorry i ever sold it. have a good weekend.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

Most I see are asking twice that . I would have bought it even at his original price . I want one of the 14 1/2's in 44-40 or 38-40 .

Eddie

 

[Alk8944]

No, The Models 14 and 141 designer was named John Pedersen, not Peterson. He was a design engineer for Remington and was also responsible for the "Pedersen Device" (If you don't know what it is then Google it!), and the Remington Model 51 pistol, among contributing to the design of other Remington Models.

While not as durable as the Browning designed Models 8 & 81 the Pedersen rifles are very nice, light, and handy to carry. I think you will really enjoy that gun!

I have two Model 141s, a .35 Remington and a .30 Remington. I have killed a couple of Deer with the .35. My .30 Remington is 95%+ or so, and has an appropriate Weaver K-3 in a Herkimer "ECHO" side mount. That's how I got it and am sure the mount was applied very soon after the original owner bought it. Had to go drool on it a bit in the middle of this! Have to take it out and shoot it soon.

 

[italiansport]

I had one of these in 25 Remington and sold it off due to lack of any ammunition. However; I marveled at the complexity and quality of manufacture of this rifle and I believe the statement that it would cost $5000 to duplicate it today. Les enjoy your as as far as I'm concerned they are a treasure.
Jim

 

[les.b]

Long day...just got home...after I picked this up, I thought I'd run up to PA, there's a little gun store in Washington, Ace Sporting goods, stopped by there and picked up a box of ammo (it takes the 35 Remington) and also bought a set of dies and a shellholder, and a box of 200 gr round nose Sierra soft points to start out with. Also checked one of their reloading manuals, and see that it takes .357-.358 bullets...I'll bet I can load up some plinking rounds with .358 revolver bullets. Then, since I was already up there, ran on over to Cabela's and checked out the "Gun Library ", but didn't buy anything. It was a beautiful day for a drive, and I enjoy running around in my new car anyway.

Any way, I'll be doing a little research and see what I can come up with. I always like having a "new" caliber to play with.

I am particularly pleased with the condition of the wood and blueing on this gun. The blueing looks great, and the wood has not been tampered with, and it is really pleasing to see a nice but not spectacular piece of American black walnut paired up with blued steel. As noted above, when you take out the take down screw, and slide the parts of the receiver apart, you get the same feeling that I get when looking inside of an older Smith and Wesson revolver. All machined parts, and the ones inside are finished up just as nicely as those outside!!

Here you can see how the gun breaks down, in just a few seconds, and also see the nice condition of the bluing:

Oh, yeah, on the way up the interstate I saw two roadkill coyotes, and on the way back, one more!! That's three that were killed by cars on a relatively short drive...wonder how many there are floating around now?? I used to have a bunch around my farm, but the neighbors must be shooting them, as I seldom hear them anymore.

Best Regards, Les

 

[Drm50]

I got a 141 and a 14 in 35Rem. They are well made all milled
rifles. They are deer killing machines for woods hunting. My 1st
deer gun was a #8 in 35cal. I also shot the most deer in one
day with a 141, tag filling on last day of WVa season.

 

[RoninPhx]

i looked for probably about 20 years trying to find the rear site for a 141 where somebody had removed the original to put a newer type on. It's in .30remington which is basically a rimless 3030. they have a type of tubular mag where sposedly you can use spitzer bullets. They are light and were well made.

 

[les.b]

i looked for probably about 20 years trying to find the rear site for a 141 where somebody had removed the original to put a newer type on. It's in .30remington which is basically a rimless 3030. they have a type of tubular mag where sposedly you can use spitzer bullets. They are light and were well made.

Well, someone removed the rear sight on this one also!! That's one of the reasons that I thought I might install a receiver peep sight, as it is already drilled and tapped for one. Whoever removed the rear sight didn't even put a filler in the slot, but that shouldn't be too hard to find, or even fabricate. I haven't really thought everything through yet, just playing with some ideas. Tomorrow if the weather cooperates, I'll run a couple of rounds through it, (using the Tasco scope that's on it for now), and collect the brass for some load development. I'm pretty excited about this project!!

Best Regards, Les

 

[2152hq]

I had acouple of Model 14's in 35Remington. One was a C Grade (another should'a kept it gun).
I had another, a Model 14 1/2 in 44-40 .

I used to load 158gr LSWC and (IIRC) 5gr of RedDot for the 35 remingtons. Made a nice 50yrd plinker load. Quite accurate too.
These loads use to balk feeding every so often but a bit of shuffling with the slide would get them into the chamber OK.
Don't know if it was the bullet type or OAL,,never bothered me that much to find out.
I probably shot more of these loads than full power stuff thru them in the time I owned them.

Numrich has some parts for these, but there are many more than their schematic pictures,,especially bolt parts. It's a complicated rifle. Typical Pedersen design.
If you take the bolt out of the rifle, don't loose the ejector plate on the back side of the bolt. It mearly fits in a couple shallow tabs to hold it in place for assembly. Once in the gun it's a captured part so it can't go anywhere. With the bolt out of the gun the plate can easily slip off the bolt. Once that happens the unlocking plunger is also free to fall out of the bolt.
This happens once in a while, the small plunger gets lost un-noticed.

If the rifle is reassembled w/o the plunger, it cannot be opened by use of the slide latch button on the bolt. The only way to open the bolt is to then dry fire the rifle.
An easy fix if a the plunger part is available, but I've seen a couple with the ejector plate missing also.

If the action jams shut and won't cycle on an empty mag tube, the problem is most likely a worn magazine follower.
A very shallow ring step shoulder on the follower gets worn and allows the follower to by=pass a stop shoulder in the mag tube and then enter the feed throat area and hit the carrier jamming the action to a halt.
With ammo in the magazine, the cartridge stop is in command and holds each round back while the lead round is being lifted by the carrier.
Cartridge stop can also wear. They are fitted w/a gauge that is caliber specific and filed to fit.
Generally the rifles don't give too much trouble.

re; the 14 1/2 Model in 44-40,,before you pay a pemium for one, check for guns that have had their chambers reamed out to 44Magnum.

 

[les.b]

Thanks, 2152hq !!! Thats good information.

This gun appears from the barrel code to have been made in October 1940. But looking at the bluing on the receiver, it dosent seem to have been handled very much, ad looking at the internal parts, it doesn't look like it has even been cycles all that much either. So I'm guessing that the parts are not very worn,

I'll try to keep that information in mind when I'm cleaning the gun, and try not to lose any parts. I may have located a replacement rear sight, but not sure I'm going to get one, if I can find a receiver sight to mount. Of course, it's not very elegant, but the scope that is on it might do a good job... I'll have to see...

Best Regards, Les

 

[les.b]

I've been looking online to try to determine which receiver sight would be period correct for this gun, presumably made in 1940. I'd like to try to find one that matches the drilled and tapped mounting holes, which are currently plugged.

Best Regards, Les

 

[Drm50]

I've been looking online to try to determine which receiver sight would be period correct for this gun, presumably made in 1940. I'd like to try to find one that matches the drilled and tapped mounting holes, which are currently plugged.

Best Regards, Les

My 141 has original rear, this is the sight I use to deer hunt. I
have a Lyman tang sight with the flip aperature for 14 & 141.
I don't like tang sights on deer rifles for shooting moving targets.
I got one in my eyebrow once and that was enough for me. I
like reciever sights but wouldn't D&T a nice original for them.
I do use the tang for target and Varmits. Right now it's on my
14 and I am pretty sure the sight is a Lyman #14.

 

[bigolddave]

I had a 14 1/2 in 44/40 years ago. Paid all of $75 for it. I traded it to a local gun dealer/smith, who thought it would be a great hog rifle. (This was back when wild pigs weren't all over.) He found that the bore was oversize to the point where you could not chamber a round with a slug large enough to take the rifling. I had never shot it; I liked the rifle, but the carrier would not accept a reloaded cartridge.

 

[olskool]

these rifles are very picky about the profile of the bullet. the original hang tag stated round nose bullets only were to be used. I have tried mine with pointed or semi-pointed and they will not function correctly. I have found that most of the feeding issues lies from the overall length rather than the profile of the bullet. my 30 rem. will function with a 125gr sierra FPHP fine because of the position of the cannelure on that bullet,,,,,,,,,,

 

[federali]

Back in the early 60s when I was a teen and had no appreciation for vintage firearms, I passed up a Model 141 in .35 Rem because it was old fashioned. I think differently now.

The .35 Rem cartridge has very little shoulder and you must be careful in adjusting the dies so as not to set the shoulder back, in which case you may get light hits. I load for a .35 Marlin. The .35 is a classic woods cartridge with perhaps a 200-yard effective range in the hands of the average hunter.

 

[Drm50]

The 35Rem in all the Rem pumps and auto, as well as Marlin 336
all shot RN bullets better than Spitzers. When I first started to
hunt I didn't like RN bullets. I just thought pointed bullets went
faster. I was just a kid and didn't know any better. The nature of
35 Spitzers doesn't allow for much bearing surface to ride the
bore. At 100yds you may not see much difference, once you get
past that the RN is noticeably a better shooting bullet.
The only feed issue I ever had with 141 was with some 357 pistol
bullets. I never had problems with over OAL but some 110-125
gr bullets didn't want to feed because they were to short.