Marines getting a new sniper rifle

[Ozark Marine]

Optics are now issued in boot camp on the rifle's to qualify with along with the old iron battle sights in case the red dot's get damaged or batteries die.
Welcome to the 21st century.

 

[R.A. Rifleman]

I seem to recall that for contracts like these, they include the rifle, the accessories, spare parts, armorer training, and whatever factory support is stipulated. The contract specifies and overall sum and then some rocket scientist divides that up by the number of riflez to come up with a figure like that.

 

[crazyphil]

A single criminal act, three shots from a thirty dollar surplus Carcano changed history.

Actually the Carcano (with scope) was only $19.95.
I kept the American Rifleman magazine from February 1963.
The Klein's ad is on page 65, from which Oswald ordered the
rifle. Without scope it was only $12.88.

108 rounds of 6.5 Italian military ammo and a clip was an
additional $7.50.

I bought one for a deer hunting rifle for my wife (without scope).
It was very fast and very accurate. No question in my mind
that Oswald could do with that rifle, what he was supposed to do.

 

[JayFramer]

The Army has been using "tree hunert winny mag" for several years.

Good boooolits for defeatings of ISIS.

 

[vonn]

If just one Marine make's it back home to his family alive and not crippled due to this weapon system and it's highly trained Marine sniper's it's worth more than $12,000.
This weapon isn't going to be issued to every Marine in the Corps.

I guess not many on this forum have served or have family serving in the military during this War on Terror that our military has been fighting for over 17 years.

So sleep well tonight all you upset tax payers,
brave young Patriots wiling to fight & kill the things you fear are standing guard keeping our Country free and safe.

Well said. When I was in Nam we had a few 4x Colt scopes on M16A1’s and one of the new rifles would have been nice.

 

[Rule3]

If that's what it takes for these guys to make a shot at over 1,000 yards, then that is money well spent.

All things considered it is a real small price tag in the overall military budget.

Heck some folks on this forum could pull two guns out the safe and probably make $12,000. Heck, how is spent on cars, tools and other toys??

Heck buy a Dillon press,(with all the extras)

 

[BAM-BAM]

Don't get me wrong guys......... the troops should get what they need..... it's the bean counters that waste my tax money that urks me!!!!!!

Toilet Seats, hammers......it's been reported that 50% of our aircraft grounded waiting for parts for repair........I would like the folks in DC and elsewhere to be good Stewards of our tax dollars..... not view us as a piggy bank to be raided!

I believe RARifleman's comments are correct.....

OzarkMarine......all that said it's still hard to believe a $12,000 per-unit cost for a rifle/scope being built in-house ( if I understood the link correctly).... and I hope parts/optics are being bought wholesale from the manufacture not retail for MSRP!

Edit: the Nightforce ATACR 5-25x56 scope retail on Opticplanet is $2,600...... unless they need to be custom built for the .300 round.

 

[BAM-BAM]

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All things considered it is a real small price tag in the overall military budget.

The problem (for me ) is that is the attitude ( within the beltway) on each and every line item in their budgets.....add them all together...... and it adds up to real dollars.

Being able to re-purpose the old M-14s from the 50/60s was a great idea when we found ourselves in a war often fought at longer ranges than the AR was designed to platform

 

[Rule3]

The problem (for me ) is that is the attitude ( within the beltway) on each and every line item in their budgets.....add them all together...... and it adds up to real dollars.

Being able to re-purpose the old M-14s from the 50/60s was a great idea when we found ourselves in a war often fought at longer ranges than the AR was designed to platform

Granted, no one ever said the Government was a "thrifty" group. It's not like they have to balance a budget or anything.

In the trillions of dollars I would still rather see a few million spent on the guys that actually do something!

 

[Jessie]

Pricing aside, I wonder why they chose the .300 mag? Don't get me wrong, I have one and really like it, but there's been a plethora of long range calibers lately.
Are they better? I don't know, but other branches are using them. Lapuas ( different calibers) especially.
I'd like to know why they like the .300.
And what weight bullets?

 

[BB57]

A single criminal act, three shots from a thirty dollar surplus Carcano changed history.

People keep getting this confused.

On January 27, 1963, Oswald ordered a Smith & Wesson "Victory" Model .38 special revolver from Seaport Traders of Los Angeles, for $29.95 plus postage and handling.

On March 12, 1963, Oswald ordered the 6.5 Carcano carbine by mail from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago from an advertisement in the February 1963 American Rifleman. He paid $19.95 plus postage and handling by money order. His order included the rifle ($12.78), a new 4x telescopic sight ($7.17) that was mounted as part of the package deal.

So he shot a police officer with a $30 S&W Victory Model in .38 Special, and shot Kennedy with a $20 rifle and scope.

Oswald's revolver was a .38/200 Lend Lease revolver, serial number V510210, converted to .38S&W Special with the barrel shortened to 2". A new S&W revolver at the time would have cost about $65.

 

[the ringo kid]

People keep getting this confused.

On January 27, 1963, Oswald ordered a Smith & Wesson "Victory" Model .38 special revolver from Seaport Traders of Los Angeles, for $29.95 plus postage and handling.

On March 12, 1963, Oswald ordered the 6.5 Carcano carbine by mail from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago from an advertisement in the February 1963 American Rifleman. He paid $19.95 plus postage and handling by money order. His order included the rifle ($12.78), a new 4x telescopic sight ($7.17) that was mounted as part of the package deal.

So he shot a police officer with a $30 S&W Victory Model in .38 Special, and shot Kennedy with a $20 rifle and scope.

Oswald's revolver was a .38/200 Lend Lease revolver, serial number V510210, converted to .38S&W Special with the barrel shortened to 2". A new S&W revolver at the time would have cost about $65.

Also proves another theory ive had on oswald for a long time that not onlywas he a pig, but he was a cheapskate pig.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

It's whoever squeezes the trigger that counts. Carlos Hathcock and Adelbert Waldron did pretty well with their 1960s technology.

 

[BigBill]

I wanted to bump up my hunting rifle from a 30-06 to something more powerful. I passed up the 300wm, I looked at the 375 H&H. But settled on the Remington 700 in 338 win mag. That’s all there was available back in ‘94. With its 4,000ft lbs at the muzzle and 2700 ft lbs at 200yds that’s the muzzle energy of a 30-06.

Why did they choose the 300wm? They have the 338 Lapula? England and canada use it.

I’m surprised we never looked at the 7.62x39 and made it a 6.5 x 45 or 7 x 45 replacing the 233.

 

[vonn]

Jessie, they already have lots of .30 cal bullets of all types and lots of info on them. I think a 300 win mag fits a standard long action as well,making everything more standard is probably a consideration. I would think they will use a long ,heavy,low drag bullet for sniping and maybe armor piercing
for heavier duty work when needed. Be interesting to see what and how with the weapon system they will develop.

 

[BigBill]

I wanted to bump up my hunting rifle from a 30-06 to something more powerful. I passed up the 300wm, I looked at the 375 H&H. But settled on the Remington 700 in 338 win mag. That’s all there was available back in ‘94. With its 4,000ft lbs at the muzzle and 2700 ft lbs at 200yds that’s the muzzle energy of a 30-06.

Why did they choose the 300wm? They have the 338 Lapula? England and canada use it.

I’m surprised we never looked at the 7.62x39 and made it a 6.5 x 45 or 7 x 45 replacing the 233.

in the m16. The 6.5 Swede and 7mm Mauser are two very accurate rounds.

 

[BigBill]

A single criminal act, three shots from a thirty dollar surplus Carcano changed history.

Fact Oswald wasn’t alone.

A marine can take a hill with a sling shot and a bag of marbles I have faith in them.

 

[BigBill]

Btw. I put a top of the line back then a bushnell scope that has a mechanical bull drop compisation out to 500yds you dope the scope. There’s no error from 150yds to 500yds.

I been looking for a b&c class buck for years he eludes me but sticks his tounge out at other hunters a long distances. I’d give him a kiss right behind his ear.

 

[Snapping Twig]

If they'd a asked me and they insisted on .30 I'da suggested .300Wby. It's even better.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

I've played the long range game for 8-10 years now. It is not uncommon to see guys (pure civilians, like me) with a $4000 custom rifle at the outings. Add a quality daytime scope of $1500-4000, add a nighttime scope for? (My only night scope is a T-3 from the early 1950's they weren't any good beyond 150-200 yards; That's when mounted on a Bazooka for hunting tanks!)

I think the contract price is about par for the quality they are suppose to get. The first problem, do the delivered guns meet specs? The second problem, How often will the barrels be replaced and with what and by who (whom)? My 338 Lapua barrel is almost wiped out at about 650-700 rounds, my 308 is still very good at 2400-2500 rounds. The 300 Win Mag mod 2 ammo is a +P verity with a 210 grain bullet, that is a lot of wear on each shot. The payoff is this has considerably less recoil than the 338 Lapua! The payoff comes in a sustained engagement when the rifleman is still capable after 5 or more hours of recoil! Also, if the Mod. 2 ammo is $1.50 a round (in quantity), it is about 25% the price of good 338 ammo, and reports say the 300 Mod 2 is a reliable kill round to 1800 yards (over 1 mile). My 338 is a 1/4 MOA gun at 800 yards (and probably much further!) My 308 is 1/10 MOA gun at 200 and proven out 1100 yards, but that is a long way short of a mile! The key to all this isn't only good equipment, it requires practice! In the range of 20 to 40 rounds a minimum of twice a month. That costs time, ammo, and wear to the guns. The second 2 equal money, repeated long term money! Can and will the Army, Navy and USMC continue to field well equipped, well trained, and well practiced snipers? That is the question!

By the way, if you think this system is expensive, check out the prices on what the British and Canadians are using! They field fewer snipers in numbers as well as percentages! (As usual the French don't count! They have been setting records for One Shot Kills. But they aren't in Combat, aren't at people, and took 7 days to do!)

This is just my 2 cents worth.

Ivan