"Would you stand in front of one" always has the same answer for me? No. And that applies to .380, .32, .22, .188 and even BBs. "No!". I don't know what point that assertion seems to make other than it is sufficient for personal protection. Heck, if I can avoid it, I won't voluntarily or intentionally stand in front of a thrown rock. And I'm a guy who will regularly pocket carry a .380 as the situation, in my opinion, dictates. The point always made by that question is absurd. To follow it through it's logical extreme then, a rock is sufficient to be carried for personal defense.
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Ribwizzard
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Well Mr Horsefeathers, first of all, we are not talking about .380 , .45, or any other semi auto caliber.
We are talking about. .38, .38p, and .357 magnum. Specifically, what to carry in a revolver chambered for both.
With that cleared up, yes .38 is less than .380 or 9mm, it is a wimpy round, and I am recommending that if you have a gun that can chamber both .38, and .357, to step up to a moderate .357 for defensive carry.
I will assume that now that we both agree that .38 sucks, that cowboy loads bounce off of belt buckles, and anything under 1100 fps should be only for plinking, that you are now done getting your feathers riled up and ready to apologize to me?
We are talking about. .38, .38p, and .357 magnum. Specifically, what to carry in a revolver chambered for both.
With that cleared up, yes .38 is less than .380 or 9mm, it is a wimpy round, and I am recommending that if you have a gun that can chamber both .38, and .357, to step up to a moderate .357 for defensive carry.
I will assume that now that we both agree that .38 sucks, that cowboy loads bounce off of belt buckles, and anything under 1100 fps should be only for plinking, that you are now done getting your feathers riled up and ready to apologize to me?
Basically things where the probability of them actually happening is on par with being struck by lightning.
Ribwizzard
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So why carry at all if that is how you think? DS
For defense scenarios that have a realistic and reasonable chance of actually occuring. I use the same logic when allocating training time and have no interest in wasting time, money and energy on what amounts to fantasy.
Ribwizzard
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Fantasy, by gorilla I mean a big muscular dude.
You really didn't think or want to argue about a actual gorilla, come on now buddy, you have had to hear that term before.
You really didn't think or want to argue about a actual gorilla, come on now buddy, you have had to hear that term before.
Yeah, I picked up on that. I just don't see a lot of meth heads that look like Brock Lesnar. Possible, but not at all probable. They are almost always feeble, sickly people. Regardless, I'm good with a .38 special +p in either case.
fredj338
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That line is getting realy phrikin old. I dont want to stand in front of a guy with a pointy stick. Please, as a retired leo, I would expect better.Would you be willing to stand in front of a .380???? Why hell no you won't and neither would I.
I had a nut shoot at me with a 1911 and a 230 grain ball round. The round hit me in the duty belt and was stopped by my pants belt underneath. (2) 158 grain .38 special rounds in return put his lamps out for good. When I was hit, it didn't knock me down or even backwards any. It felt like being hit with a pitched baseball while at bat that's all.
These myths about knock down power and just that myths. We all know that every action has an equal and opposite reaction by the law of physics. Knowing that, any gun that could shoot a knock down round would knock the shooter down when he shot it. I was bruised but still here.
Our military are issued high powered rifles for a reason. A .22 caliber bullet moving at 3,000 FPS does a lot of damage on the inside bouncing around. Just ask Congressmen Steve Scalies who took a NATO 5.56 (.22 caliber) to the hip a while back.
Handguns are very poor man stoppers, regardless of caliber. Shutting down the central nervous system by a head shot will stop just about anything that moves on GOD"S green earth and again caliber is irrelevant.
Carry what you feel comfortable with and be safe out there. It is a nasty dirty world and that I can tell you from years of experience and not pithy gun forum rhetoric and bovine excrement.
Agree, handguns are poor stoppers with com hits, but they are not all the same, not by a quite a bit. If you think a 380 fmj is the same as a 125gr jhp from a 357mag or 230gr jhp in a 45, well ya just havent shot enough living things with any of them. Yes eberything fails, but rds like the old 158gr lrn failed a lot more.
Btw, I believe the congressman was shot with a 7.62x39 SKS.
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Ribwizzard
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Great, I'm glad you understood that. Had me worried they way you cut and quoted just that one sentance from my post.
And Im happy your confident in your choice of caliber.
Let me know if I can clear anything else up for you.
And Im happy your confident in your choice of caliber.
Let me know if I can clear anything else up for you.
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No it was a 5.56 NATO out of an AR15 build up! What is "EBERYTHING".....?????? What are a "COM HITS".....???? Now pray tell how many "LIVING THINGS" have you shot to become so knowledgeable.....?????? Can you tell me how many times the "OLD 158 GRAIN LEAD ROUND NOSED BULLETS FAILED .....???? Since you are so knowledgeable on them, let see some data and proof of your allegations.
Did you know we were limited to .38 special 158 LRN by the Geneva Convention and that is all we were permitted to carry in our duty weapons.......?????? Have you ever heard of "SUPERVELS"......didn't think so.
There is an old saying that people that say it can't be done should never impede or interrupt the ones that are doing it!
You seem to be looking for an argument!! You won't get one from me however, I will show you facts so that you may learn!
Wait, what? Where?
4896worker
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Excuse the thread drift but also being from California I have a. CCW liecense there are a lot of counties that issue them almost like a shall issue state check with your local law enforcement they can help you
The "Geneva Convention" addressed the people of war while the "Geneva Accord" addressed the weapons of war.
Pretty sure neither of them addressed that nice fella's police department . . .
Whitwabit
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Of my carry pistols 1 is 9mm and 2 - 40 S&W and 1 - 357 magnum ..
I started with a 9mm and then shot a buddy's S&W Compact in 40 and loved it .. he hated it the recoil was too intense for his liking and sold it soon after ..
I like the 40 and really don't think the 357 magnum is much worse if any .. Just picked up a 686 so will find out how well I shoot it ..
I started with a 9mm and then shot a buddy's S&W Compact in 40 and loved it .. he hated it the recoil was too intense for his liking and sold it soon after ..
I like the 40 and really don't think the 357 magnum is much worse if any .. Just picked up a 686 so will find out how well I shoot it ..
I have a couple of .44 magnums and a few .357s that I shoot, and recoil
has never been an issue for me. Just call me crazy. I think that the
recoil issue is 90% mental and only 50% physical (as Yogi Berra might
say).
has never been an issue for me. Just call me crazy. I think that the
recoil issue is 90% mental and only 50% physical (as Yogi Berra might
say).
fredj338
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I wish this load was still available. Though I would rarely choose a 357snub for carry, it is very manageable in one with good terminal performance.
fredj338
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Not really. COllateral damage is mostly from a miss not over penetration. The old 38sp RNL would not stay inside average size human torso. The faster you drive a good jhp, the less it will usually penetrate, the bullet expands more & slows faster during penetration.
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