Any love for Hi-Power clones?

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I may be among the worst to think of inventive ways to 'fill a niche' in the practice of accumulating hardware.

As most know, not too long ago Browning announced they were discontinuing the carrying and sales of the iconic Hi Power pistol.
Kinda sad, but I'm sure all-steel, expensive hi-cap 9mm's are not real big sellers in the grand scheme of 9mm service style pistols.

I've been a BHP fan for a long time. My first was part of a small commercial run of the 'El Capitan' model with tangent sight way back in the mid-70's before I knew how important visible sights were on a handgun.
Also, at that time, the BHP had the reputation of being reliable with a wide variety of the fairly-new-to-market JHP bullet designs - something not enjoyed by many 9's on the market then.
Anyway, some years later that BHP left my hands in a trade for an approved OD piece.

Just a few years ago, got a great deal on a near-perfect late-80's BHP. Someone had replaced the 'beer can' rear adjustable sight with a Millet adjustable. Shoots great, had a pair of Hogue checkered wood grips with just enough palm-swell to remind you of expensive Spegels.
I did a mag-safety delete on it, resulting in a much better trigger.

Began thinking that with the discontinuance of Browning selling the HP any longer, prices may go up some. Maybe I should look at another? Maybe a 'stand-in beater'? Knew there were many clones on the market and some priced fairly low....
A little checking shows the best known clones are the FEG (Hungary), the Kareen (Israel), FM (some from Argentina, some marked that from FEG/Hungary), some Charles Daly actually made by FEG. I'm sure there's others.

Some GB surfing showed that yes, REAL HP's were certainly going up in prices as well as even the clones.
FEG's seem to have a reputation as some of the better clones, so set out looking at those.
Ended up with this FEG FP-9 at a lower bid than I'd planned. It was one I was actually more 'watching' than anything, but ended up being about the only bid.
It's in really good shape, evidently shot very little. Came with a couple of funky mags that the bottom half is a plastic block, I'm sure limiting it to 10 rounds.
Already have a bunch of other real BHP mags, so no bother.

Cleaned this up, did a mag-safety delete on it, resulting in a very much better trigger. Polished the feed ramp, which showed a little tooling....
Will probably put a pair of VZ grips on it to replace the OE black plastic.

Have to say, I'm not really sold on the ventilated rib/raised sights thing. And the slab slide minus the forward slide cut that instantly identifies a HP seems a little strange.
Have not shot it yet, so we'll see. It may become trade-stock, or go away to find a more faithful clone/repro that's sans rib and weird slide....don't know yet.

Anyone here mess with the HP clones?
Please don't gush about beautiful Brownings and Nighthawk Custom HP's. Everyone knows how nice they are. I'm talking pedestrian hardware here.
 

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I have a FEG Hi-Power equivalent, no complaints after having the magazine safety removed.

I suspect the Hi-Power premium will moderate after the initial "shock" of the end of production, similar to Winchester 94s after they were (temporarily) discontinued - nice guns but not exactly scarce.
 
Does an EAA SAR B6 (European American Armory, Sarsilmaz SARARMS, Turkey, Model B6) count as pedestrian? My (incomplete) understanding of HP clones is that the CZ75 was, more or less, a HP clone with what CZ called "improvements." In turn Sarsilmaz claims improvements over the CZ75 although I do not profess to know what those improvements are. I have a B6, all-steel, with 4.5 inch barrel that I bought new three years ago as they were transitioning to polymer frames and shorter barrel lengths. The pedestrian part comes in, I think, because I bought it new for just over $300 with shipping and transfer from a not-so-popular internet sales company. It functions beautifully, shoots quite well and all I did was smooth internal surfaces and the feed ramp. It's a nice looking pistol that appears more expensive than it was. They claim it is/was the standard sidearm of the Turkish Army, the second largest standing army in NATO, for what that's worth. Informative thread - thank you!
 
Magazine Safety Question...

Long time follower of the BHP's and think they, along with some nice clones, still fulfill the level of protection anyone may ever need. Solid pistol for many years!

One question...after reading this post, it reminded me of something I've often thought about and just never asked. I've always left my BHP's stock as manufactured except for an occasional grip change.

When you eventually sell your BHP's that have the magazine safety removed, do you notify the new owner of the modification or just complete the sale and let them discover it on their own?
 
The guys over on the 1911/HP forum have nothing but good things to say about the FEG clone . They are getting hard to find in decent condition and affordable compared to the Belgium HP. If you find a nice one you should buy it.
 
My FEG (PJK-9HP)runs just as well as my 1969 Browning Hi Power. It is also every bit as accurate for a fraction of what BHP's are going for now.

That's the only clone that I own and I am totally pleased with it.

Randy
 
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My first Hi Power was a Belgian FN P35 that I captured in Vietnam (late 1970 or early 1971), brought home as a war trophy, later stolen in a burglary of my home.

I acquired another Belgian-made Browning-marked Hi Power about 1977. Price tag was $105 at the time. Carried it off and on for about 10 years. It was stolen with my locked suitcase during an airline trip (airline insisted on attaching the tag identifying that suitcase as containing a firearm, thus alerting all baggage handlers of the opportunity for larceny).

About 1990 I acquired a Mark III (made in Belgium, assembled in Portugal), which I still have. Excellent pistol. Spur hammer, ambi-safety, good high-profile fixed sights with bright white post-style aids.

Along the way I have also picked up one of the FEG clones and an early FM (Argentine) clone, both of which were very faithful to the original P35 pattern. Both were decent pistols, both came to me in trade deals and I used them for a while, then they went away.

I have examined the later FEG and FM pistols, and was not impressed by them. I have also handled an Israeli Kareen, which I found to be quite good despite very heavy wear & tear.

Long and short of it, all of those pistols have been very reliable with any ammo I chose to feed them with, all have been accurate enough for defensive use. Those based on the original P35 pattern all share the same tiny sights, with thumb safety levers I find to be way too small for positive engagement under stress, and the trigger pulls can be much improved by the simple expedient of disabling the magazine safety (judicious polishing at the hammer-sear engagement is also an improvement). For magazines I prefer either Browning OEM or Argentine military (standard 13-round, not the extended 17-rounders that were making the rounds on the surplus market some years ago), although the FEG mags seemed pretty good as well.

The Mark III that I continue to use is an excellent pistol. Has the black finish (anodized, phosphate, whatever) that is very durable, even though it lacks the beauty of the original FN polished blue finish. Positive ambi-safety with longer engagement levers. Very good sights. Shoots anything I feed it (surplus, ball, hollow-points, cast bullet reloads, etc), and prints at point of aim consistently at 50 feet.

The Hi Power will always be one of my "must have" handguns.
 
Long time follower of the BHP's and think they, along with some nice clones, still fulfill the level of protection anyone may ever need. Solid pistol for many years!

One question...after reading this post, it reminded me of something I've often thought about and just never asked. I've always left my BHP's stock as manufactured except for an occasional grip change.

When you eventually sell your BHP's that have the magazine safety removed, do you notify the new owner of the modification or just complete the sale and let them discover it on their own?

In certain states firearms sold have to have all factory safety features in place, including magazine disconnects. In the free states removing it is probably a positive sales point so I would have no trouble telling a potential buyer about this :).
 
FEG / Charles Daily

I had an FEG chambered in 45 acp that I bought new from the Rod & Gun club when I was stationed in Germany sometime in the late 80's. I remember it being the roughest action I every saw but it smoothed out to be one of the best I ever handled after a couple hounded rounds. Still kicking myself for trading it off.

Bought a 9mm Charles Daily HP at a gun show about 9 years ago. I traded a gun and some cash which came out to about $550. The finish was a nice blue. The sighs were XS Big Dot, the safety was extended and the grips are either uncle mikes or something very close to them. It feels very good in the hand, Runs like a sewing machine. and eats anything you feed it.

A few month ago I considered selling it so I did some internet research to see what they were selling for. What I found out is that they have a following. People are paying high prices for them. I had no idea! I had always thought I overpaid for it and would never get my investment out of it, much less make a few bucks. So for now it will stay in the dark place call the back of my safe. Heck, I may even take it out and shoot it!.
 
Old Corp, No personal experience beyond handling, but I remember when those FEGs with the vent rib were in regular production. They appeared to be nicely finished, and always thought they were an interesting variation on the Hi Power theme.

BTW, TXBryan, the CZ75 is not a Browning clone at all, improved or otherwise. Since the '60s I've owned a succession of FN/Browning Hi Powers, and three CZ75s.
They are similar in that they are both service type pistols of similar size, and magazine capacity, originally chambered in 9MM. I'm aware of no parts that are interchangeable between the two designs.
 
Over the years I have had a number of FEG clones. Best one PJK-9HP. Also just solf my Kareen HP35. Now only have a genuine HP in the collection. 1988 MKII in mint condition.
 
clones

Does an EAA SAR B6 (European American Armory, Sarsilmaz SARARMS, Turkey, Model B6) count as pedestrian? My (incomplete) understanding of HP clones is that the CZ75 was, more or less, a HP clone with what CZ called "improvements." In turn Sarsilmaz claims improvements over the CZ75 although I do not profess to know what those improvements are. I have a B6, all-steel, with 4.5 inch barrel that I bought new three years ago as they were transitioning to polymer frames and shorter barrel lengths. The pedestrian part comes in, I think, because I bought it new for just over $300 with shipping and transfer from a not-so-popular internet sales company. It functions beautifully, shoots quite well and all I did was smooth internal surfaces and the feed ramp. It's a nice looking pistol that appears more expensive than it was. They claim it is/was the standard sidearm of the Turkish Army, the second largest standing army in NATO, for what that's worth. Informative thread - thank you!

There is nothing (other than caliber and double stack magazine) that are in common with a CZ75 and a P35 (Browning Hi Power). I own a number of each.
Both have their own niche in the world of handgunning however.

Randy

PS. Yes, both have external hammers and are all steel construction....forgot about that for a moment.
 
I have a license built DGFM Argentinian HP and a Kareen. I also have Arcus 94.
The Arcus 94 is, basically, HP innards in a slightly different frame and slide. Grips and magazines interchange with regular HPs.
 
I've been a fan of FEG firearms since the early 1990s and sold LOTS of their offerings back then. I'm familiar with everything from the Walther PP copies to the Hi Powers to their excellent SA-85M AKs, but I've never seen another example of the FP-9 you have with the lack of slide relief cuts. That being said I'm sure it will be a good shooter, just not as close to a pure Hi Power copy as the KBI imported PJK-9HP.
I bought 2 PJK-9HPs on a whim in 1998 when they were $199 from CDNN, and still have both of them. They have been, in every way, quality analogs of actual FN Hi Powers and the closest I've ever seen to the "real thing".
The metal polishing and bluing on the KBI imported guns is truly "python-esque". :D
 
I've owned two FEG Hi-Power copies in the past, and I found their finish to be second only to a Belgian HP.

This is the gun that sold me on the HP. I'd always liked the look and the feel, but these guns would function reliably with anything I put in them.

Now, I have a C series from 1969 and a 245 from 1977, but I'd still buy a FEG if I found one at the right price.
 
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