J-frame: Enough?

Is a S&W .38 Special Snub Nose enough for concealed carry?

  • Yes

    Votes: 311 92.6%
  • No

    Votes: 25 7.4%

  • Total voters
    336
  • Poll closed .
The 1986 Miami shootout comes to mind. Many of the FBI agents were armed with two revolvers (some with NO additional ammo for either weapon). So, if you're expecting a gunfight, the answer is NO.

Any handgun is a compromise and you should always carry the most capable handgun your circumstances and wardrobe will allow. I bought a 442 to summer carry when a bigger gun isn't practical. When it is, I carry it.
 
A five-shot 38 caliber J-frame with extra ammo in speed strips or speed loaders is perfectly suitable for any realistic and likely (sub)urban self-defense scenario. If you have a premonition one day about walking into a protracted gun fight or mass shooting and possibly needing "more gun", that's not exactly self-defense. Off pavement, on the other hand, I prefer something a little more powerful than a J-frame snubby, but it could still serve in that role much of the time loaded with heavy hardcast semi-wadcutters and shot shells.
 
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Any handgun is a compromise and you should always carry the most capable handgun your circumstances and wardrobe will allow. I bought a 442 to summer carry when a bigger gun isn't practical. When it is, I carry it.

Summer carry, winter carry and BBQ carry.....
 

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LC9s May be better... BUT J frames enough.

I choose my ammo carefully, practice when possible. I know most SD shootings are over in 3 shots, most of the time just showing a weapon stops the trouble. If I feel the need for a speed strip it would be easier to carry my LC9s with 7-8 shots of 9mm. The LC9 is easier to shoot well and has more shots but my Airweights are lighter and easier to conceal. For indoor SD I use standard velocity 38spl. +P for CC
 
Well said

A five-shot 38 caliber J-frame with extra ammo in speed strips or speed loaders is perfectly suitable for any realistic and likely (sub)urban self-defense scenario. If you have a premonition one day about walking into a protracted gun fight or mass shooting and possibly needing "more gun", that's not exactly self-defense. Off pavement, on the other hand, I prefer something a little more powerful than a J-frame snubby, but it could still serve in that role much of the time loaded with heavy hardcast semi-wadcutters and shot shells.

I couldn't describe my thoughts as you have but I'm thinking similarly to you. CC is a Airweight with +P, expecting more trouble LC9s with 8+p, off pavement, M60-7 variety of 38spl shot, 357 and speed strip with more
 
I worry it's not enough to deal with some scenarios - like a pack of rampaging pit bulls encountered while on a walk.

But the J is stashed by the door and is the one gun I can readily carry in my pocket and I often do. Shot placement and fire discipline are critical with a five shot revolver but its sheer ease of carry allows me to comply with the First Rule of a Gunfight so it is "enough" in a practical sort of way.
 
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I voted yes because you asked if it was enough, not if it was optimal.

I carry a Glock 43 and am told by a friend that carries a small 380 that I don't need to carry that much weight and bulk. I am also told by a different friend that carries a double stack 9mm with a 15 round magazine in the gun and two 17 round spares that I am woefully underarmed.

There is a huge leap from "no gun" to "any gun". After that you start getting into diminishing returns and it is a matter of what you feel comfortable with. I prefer to carry in a IWB holster but if I was going to pocket carry I would choose a 38 J-frame over a 380.
 
Definitely a possible scenario

I worry it's not enough to deal with some scenarios - like a pack of rampaging pit bulls encountered while on a walk.

But the J is stashed by the door and is the one gun I can readily carry in my pocket and I often do. Shot placement and fire discipline are critical with a five shot revolver but its sheer ease of carry allows me to comply with the First Rule of a Gunfight so is is "enough" in a practical sort of way.

In Florida on local TV news I witnessed such a attack by 3 pit bulls. They grow them big down there. That plus assorted other menace's from stray alligators, wild hog, pythons, 2 legged predators, prompted me to buy my Airweight J Frame
 
Been carrying a J Frame since the early 70's, with several different other handguns for concealed carry. My main concern has always been whether or not I will perform well. I don't carry anything I don't trust. I love revolvers, but I also enjoy carrying my Shields. I seem to always come back to my J Frames, specifically a Centennial model either steel frame or airweight, depending on whether I carry them in a pocket or on my belt, and mostly that depends on the pockets in the pants I am wearing. I prefer the steel frames in a belt holster, but I get along with the light weights in a suitable pocket just fine. I love a couple of my 2" steel K Frame snubbies, and carry them some, but as you know, they are heavier, which is tolerable in a belt holster, but they are also larger than the J Frames, and I usually move back to the smaller revolvers.

I am very comfortable with .38 Special ammo, especially since that ammo has evolved into good +P loadings. I gladly will accept some expansion if it happens, but my first priority with any loading is that is gives sufficient (in my view) penetration. Perhaps because I have carried revolvers for so very long and and am totally programmed to shoot, reload, and fire them, I am very comfortable with them too. It has long been my belief that a good .38 special loading in a five shot revolver will be enough for most of my needs. Enough is enough! Every choice we make involves some compromise. Each of us must make those choices for ourselves. I think having great confidence in what we carry and use is very important. I also think that any of us will more likely carry something that we are very familiar with and comfortable with, both for performance and easy secure carry. When I belt carry, the holster and the gun is always in the same place, regardless of what I carry there. I try to keep things as simple and uncomplicated as I can. What I'm describing here is my choice. Not saying it should be yours. There is little question ever in my mind that what I carry EDC with respect to equipment is dependable, based on long experience with that equipment.

The other question always remains ... will I be dependable if and when the necessity might arise to need to use it. I think so, because I am totally commited to having that equipement at hand every day, all the time, and I long ago commited myself to making the best accomodations possible having it there. I am also comfortable with using that equipement if I deem it necessary, and dealing with the consequences that go along with that. Doesn't matter what equipment one has if there is hesitation to use it or if it is not at hand! Took me a good while to distill my choices down to the few I list above, and I have made few changes to those choices for a very long while. Like I said, this works for me!
 
Have thought about carrying my Smith & Wesson 642 .38 Special 5-shot snub-nose revolver as my primary carry gun in a pocket holster.

How many of you think that setup would be enough for realistic self defense, or should I get a bigger gun with more capacity or a different caliber?

Thanks!

-Jay

Too many variables. Threat level is one, and more (most?) important, how much do you practice and train with it? Do you have another CCW that you shoot better, and if so is it because it is bigger and easier to use?
 
If I knew for certain I was going into a gun fight, I'd want a SAW, but people look at you kind of funny when you tote such things into your local grocery store. I do have a S&W model 640-1 that I use as a pocket gun. Stoked with Speer 135 grain Gold Dot 38 Special +P ammo, I think it is sufficient for self-defense.
 
I'd like to carry my M9, HiPower, M4, or that 8 shot .357, TRR8 I think it is.

But I don't. So I carry a 442. I can't tell you if it's enough. For all I know I'll be dead in a gunfight. But I have to draw the line somewhere between practical and desire. I do think for a lot of scenarios, it would work and it's more about if I can use whatever gun I have properly. For me they are the perfect balance of availability, useability (at closer range) and speed of employing from the get go. It draws fast and carries easily. And isn't fatiguing to carry all day long. Although even that small of a gun there are times I get tired of carrying it. I don't have great health, so....
 
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The 1986 Miami shootout comes to mind. Many of the FBI agents were armed with two revolvers (some with NO additional ammo for either weapon). So, if you're expecting a gunfight, the answer is NO.

Any handgun is a compromise and you should always carry the most capable handgun your circumstances and wardrobe will allow. I bought a 442 to summer carry when a bigger gun isn't practical. When it is, I carry it.

If you studied the Miami shootout then you would know that FBI agent Benjamin Grogan was armed with a Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm and was killed by a .223 in the chest. The other agent, Ronald Risner fired off 14 rounds from his S&W 459 and a couple rounds from his backup mod 60 revolver and survived. The other 6 agents were armed with S&W revolvers and a shotgun. The two bad guys had two 357 magnum revolvers and a Ruger mini 14. 2 agents killed, 2 bad guys killed, 5 injured.

The type of guns used had nothing to do with the outcome. Other than the fact that if you know you're going into a gunfight, bring a rifle.
 
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I think 1 of the bad guys was finally completely stopped with a .38 to the head. I know that doesn't prove the effectiveness. Because the perp was already injured from other gunfire. But it does point to the fact that one guy had good aim with a revolver. I don't believe it was point range. It's been a while since I read the incident though.
 
If you studied the Miami shootout then you would know that FBI agent Benjamin Grogan was armed with a Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm and was killed by a .223 in the chest. The other agent, Ronald Risner fired off 14 rounds from his S&W 459 and a couple rounds from his backup mod 60 revolver and survived. The other 6 agents were armed with S&W revolvers and a shotgun. The two bad guys had two 357 magnum revolvers and a Ruger mini 14. 2 agents killed, 2 bad guys killed, 5 injured.

The type of guns used had nothing to do with the outcome. Other than the fact that if you know you're going into a gunfight, bring a rifle.
Ronald Risner is the only agent to have survived the incident with NO Wounds.

The other seven agents were all shot with two of the agents dying that day

Jerry Dove was the second agent killed that day. Jerry was only a few years older than myself. He was the 2nd youngest of the group.

Working as an "Independent Contractor" at the time, I had met many of them before the incident
 
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