LE use of the Mini 14

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/...Ruger used as their design basis the M-1 Carbine of WW II fame. It was designed for the 30 Carbine cartridge which was essentially a pistol grade cartridge. Stepping up to more powerful cartridges without strengthening the original design did not give good results.

I learned years later that after the using public complained bitterly Ruger hired one or two independent gunsmith/engineers to make the Mini 14 more accurate. Their final efforts were deemed too heavy for commercial sales. ....

A superbly accurate rifle requires an action that has its 'mass' in the proper places along with a long stiff tendon. The Remington '700 is better in these features than the Winchester '70 and thus became the standard design of a long distance accurate rifle. The Mauser is good in 'mass' placement but lacking in a good solid tendon. You naysayers may now jump in with your testimonials. ..... :-)

I agree with you in theory on the benefits of stiff actions and barrel tennons in bolt action rifles. However, at practical ranges a well made Mauser or Model 70 (a Mauser derivative) will still shoot far better than the nut behind the trigger. And for that matter a poorly made Rem 700 won't out shoot either of the other two. Differences in barrel quality far exceed the differences due to action and barrel tennon stiffness in the real world.

It's also an apples to oranges comparison. I get 1/2 MOA accuracy on my AR-15 bull barrel varmint rifle and neither the action nor the barrel tennon is anywhere near as stiff as a Mauser or Model 70 bolt action.

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I disagree with you entirely that the .30 M1 Carbine was the design basis for the Ruger Mini 14. While the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M14 and Mini 14 all share rotating bolt configuration, the gas systems are all distinctly different.

The M1 Carbine uses a short stroke gas tappet to drive a fairly heavy slide/operating rod. The piston's movement is not much more than about 1/4", but it's enough to get the heavy slide moving to complete the cycling of the bolt.

The M1 Garand used a long stoke gas piston system, where the piston was on the end of the operating rod and ran inside the gas cylinder, with the other end of the operating rod camming the rotating bolt open and closed. This gas system was very sensitive to gas port pressure and slow burning powders could create excessive pressure that would bend the operating rod.

The M-14 was an improvement on the Garand's gas system in terms of using a short stroke gas tappet. The stroke however was about 4 times longer than the tappet on the .30 M1 Carbine. However, like the M1 Carbine, it was much more tolerant of wider pressure ranges.

In contrast to all of the above where there is a piston that moves, the Mini 14 uses a gas pipe fixed to the gas block that then drives a comparatively heavy slide assembly. It's considered to be a short stroke system, but the "piston" action is again 3 times longer than the gas tappet movement on the .30 M1 Carbine. Since the "piston" is fixed, the cylinder (which is a hole in the front of the slide moves aft to create the piston stroke before the gas is vented.

The gas system design on the Mini-14 actually has a lot more in common with the gas system design on the FN FAL, which uses a similar fixed gas pipe, as does the AR-18 / AR-180 rifle.

In terms of the trigger group the Mini 14 has a lot more in common with the M1 Garand and M14 than it does with the M1 Carbine.

In short, aside from the rotating bolt and general shape and of the slide, the Mini 14 has very little in common with the M1 Carbine.

The Mini 14 is a very reliable design. Don't confuse "reliability" in cycling with the potential for breakage. And the major problem with wear and parts breakage (particularly in the selective fire versions) stems from the severe over gassing of the action. The standard gas bushing is around 0.080" in internal diameter, when it's rare to encounter a Mini-14 that needs more than 0.045" or 0.050" to cycle reliably. All that extra gas just needlessly increases slide and bolt velocity, which in turn and increases wear, and increases vibration in the rifle, aversely affecting accuracy.

The accuracy treatment I give my Mini 14s (described above) will turn a 1-10 twist pencil barrel Mini-14 into a 1.5 MOA five shot group rifle at 100 yards with quality 55 gr FMJ ammo. I'll argue that it's what the Mini 14 should have been in the first place when it was introduced in 1973.

That 1.5 MOA accuracy is identical to the 1.5 MOA accuracy I get with the same 55 gr Hornady FMJ load in my department surplussed 20" SP1 and my M16A1 clone (department surplussed M16A1 upper half on a Nodak Spud NDS-16A1 lower).

Another issue that complicates accuracy in a Mini 14 is the change over the years from a 1-10" barrel to a 1-7" barrel to a 1-9" barrel. Low quality 55 grain ammo generally won't shoot as well in the overly fast 107 twist barrel as it will in a 1-10" barrel, while the 1-10" barrel is just a bit on the slow side for 62 grain M855 ammo. 1-9" is ideal for M855 and works pretty well across the board for anything under about 69 grains.

But if you own one of the older skinny barrel Mini 14s and have no idea what the barrel twist happens to be, selecting the wrong bullet for it is a possibility.
 
A patrol rifle is not intended for 100 yard shots . . .

That probably depends on where you happen to be. In an urban area, yes, 100 yard shots are a rarity and some patrol rifle courses appear to focus only on 25 and 50 yard qualification targets. There should be a focus on shooting and movement at short ranges in an urban environment with a patrol rifle, but it's a mistake to totally ignore the long range stand off applications in a rural environment.

As a concept, the patrol rifle provides for a much higher level of accuracy beyond ten to fifteen yards than the average police officer is capable of producing, but it also provides the ability to accurately engage torso sized targets out to at least 100 meters.

If you work in a Sheriffs office in a large county in one of the large states out west, where a suspect is as or more likely to be armed with a centerfire rifle than a handgun and your nearest back up is maybe 45 minutes away, a patrol rifle is very much a stand off weapon and your patrol rifle is probably going to be zeroed for somewhere between 200 and 300 yards.

With a Mini 14 and 55 gr FMJs with a 275 yard zero, you're basically at point of aim at 25 yards, only 2" high at 50 yards, 4" at 100 yards, 5" high at 150 yards and 4" high at 200 yards. Torso hits are not an issue at those ranges. Even if you never need the capability, it's still there and it isn't degrading your sub 100 yard performance.
 
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I have owned 3 Mini-14's over the past 30 years or so. Every time I hoped for better than what I was able to accomplish with these rifles.

Eventually I accepted the fact that my 1943 vintage Inland M1 Carbine would do just as well, or better, for my purposes (which included uniformed and plain clothes law enforcement use).

Neither the Mini-14 nor the M1 Carbine is particularly accurate or spectacularly powerful in any way. Both are preferable to a handgun in some situations. Neither one can be considered as a precision shooting instrument.

The M1 Carbine was a good patrol rifle in the 1970s and it's still a good patrol rifle. The major disadvantage is the increased penetration in a residential setting compared to a .223 with a 55 gr FMJ bullet.

I won my first tactical rifle match with and M1 carbine, beating all the AR-15s in the field and taking second to a guy with an HK-93. The M1 is light, handy and accurate enough for torso sized targets out to 200 yards.
 
My S/O issued stainless GB14 to select Patrol deputies and I was lucky enough to be issued one. They weren’t much for accuracy, but they were more accurate than most deputies were capable of shooting. Eventually the agency re-armed and issued every Patrol Deputy an Armalite (or as we called them, Jamolites) AR15s. We were also issued a 4506 and a CS45 and 870 if you wanted them.

The surplus Mini 14s were ordered destroyed by the former Sheriff. I heard some deputy picked a bunch of Ruger magazines out of the trash bin. After years of trouble with the Armalites, they were replaced with S&W MP15. We also re-armed with M&P 45s.
 
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California Dept of Corrections used to issue the Mini 14. In the 1980s I worked construction in San Quentin , I saw them. Also there was some scandal years ago involving correctional officers buying commemorative Mini 14 s and getting 0% financing from there employer, or some such thing. A while back i heard of a Mini 14 for sale that was stamped Property of California Dept of Corrections.
 
Here's some neat photos of the San Bernadino Sherriff's Office responding during the 2015 terror attack. During the final shootout with the terrorist's, police fired approximately 440 rounds into the getaway vehicle, a Ford Excursion. I think a good number of police rifles used were Mini-14's:

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Looks like some vintage Mini-14's and some modern ones....
 
For years I have kept the December 1988 issue of Soldier of fortune for this occasion. It has a front page story entitled "The Mini 14 Is Not A Mattel Toy". They admit the author is using an alias. It mentions no specific departments, but does talk about what I would call various agencies around the world that use it.

It stresses that it is half the cost of a Colt rifle.
 
The Mini is just as capable of being a patrol rifle as an AR is. Groups opening up after 10 rapid fire rounds? How many cops have ever fired that many? And at a distance where it actually matters?

I owned a Mini once. Still wish I had it. For giggles, I stapled an empty 9MM box to a target and fired rapidly from 50 yards with iron sights. 20 round mag emptied in seconds at a target 3”X4”. Completely shredded the thing.
 
I’m a lieutenant with the largest Sheriff’s Office in Arizona and we’ve still got them. We issue S&W MP-15s for those who want a company rifle, but we also have a few hundred Mini-14s in inventory. Of those, probably 65 are assigned out to unmarked detective vehicles where they’re mounted under the trunk lid. They’re much more resistant to dirt, dust and other types of debris than the AR15s. Those who use them haven’t complained and the only problem we now have is we’ve gone from 55 grain 5.56mm duty ammunition to 64 grain and 77 grain...none of which work well in the Mini-14s.

Our mounted unit carries them and Winchester 94s as they’re easy to place in scabbards.
 
For years I have kept the December 1988 issue of Soldier of fortune for this occasion. It has a front page story entitled "The Mini 14 Is Not A Mattel Toy". They admit the author is using an alias. It mentions no specific departments, but does talk about what I would call various agencies around the world that use it.

It stresses that it is half the cost of a Colt rifle.

LOL.

I was genetically pre-disposed to dislike the M16A1 given my families ties to the M1 Garand and M14. But strangely I actually liked it a lot and thought the Mattel Toy moniker was a little too disparaging.

Well...to be fair I liked the third M16A1 one I was issued, the first two updated XM16E1s I was issued both had problems. The M16A1 however was minute of man accurate out to 400m, was lightweight and handled very well. I liked it a lot more than the M16A2, which was an inch longer, bulkier, heavier and not really any more effective.

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As I recall SOF's authors or editors had a strong bias toward parkerized steel and walnut and held the BM-59 and BM-62 in high regard. They would have looked at the Mini 14 as more of a Mini BM-62.

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In the early to mid 1980s I do recall the Mini 14s being about half the cost of the Colt SP1 with the Armalite AR-180 landing pretty squarely in the middle.
 
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Does that mean that if you have a barricaded suspect firing a rifle at you from a 125 yards, you call in an air strike or run away?;)
No, it means you get the guy with the correct gun, usually a bolt action.

The original Mini-14 was intended to be a super reliable gun for people who wanted to protect their livestock or hunt coyotes at ranges no longer than 50 yards. It's a great rifle for that.

The demise of Bill Ruger was the best thing that ever happened to the Mini-14. You see, he wouldn't allow any upgrades. In 2008 though, they finally addressed some of the issues.

My 2008 model Mini-14 is still vastly over gassed, but has a heavier barrel and will shoot 1.5MOA right out of the box.

It's only down side is weight. It's a heavy tool and I would prefer the AR15 for that reason alone.
 
After the "Darkest Day" of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol in the late 1970s when three troopers were killed by 2 escaped convicts with long guns the OHP started issuing and training troopers with Mini 14s. That was one of the first agencies in the U.S. to give rifles and training to every officer. In about 1983 I was in a car wreck and the state troopers who showed up had Stainless Mini-14s with 20 round mags and folding stocks carried upside down in "U" shaped brackets on the bottom of the drivers car door. Car doors were pretty big back then.

I didn't realize there was a commemorative Mini 14 for this story

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/790865303
 
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We switched from the Ruger Mini 14s to AR-15s in 1991 when I inherited the Range Master position. The Ruger was a quality rifle but the accuracy was not on par with the AR-15 in 223, and the angle of the magazine well created a clumsy and slower mag change than the AR's. We trained and still do, our personal out to 100 yards because as previously stated you may need it depending where you are.
 
If you remember when ARs were expensive and Mini-14s were bargains, you ain’t a kid anymore.

I have not seen one in a patrol car in quite awhile. I have the first generation Ranch Rifle version and in makes a good utility rifle in my opinion.
 
As I believe has been mentioned, the North Carolina Division of Correction has/had Mini 14's at their prison units.

The North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation had Mini 14 GB (Government Barrel) guns in the 1980's. They later switched to Colt Ar 15's.
 
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