M&P 2.0c Which Apex upgrade for range & carry?

[kenshoTX]

I would like to improve the trigger on my M&P 2.0c. No external safety. Since I can't try them myself I'd like input from the forum.

This will not be a dedicated range gun. Either solution I'll keep the trigger weight in the 5.0/5.5 range.

The two Apex kits I am leaning toward are:

100-179 Apex Action Enhancement Aluminum Trigger & Duty/Carry Kit for M&P M2.0
&
100-154 Apex Flat-Faced Forward Set Trigger Kit for the M&P M2.0

 

[ccssid]

I have the 100-154 kit installed and could not be more pleased. Using the lightest spring combination, gives me approx. Trigger weight of 3# 10oz. A different combo will get you the 5#'s you are looking for. Love the flat face trigger.

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[Real Old Navy]

100-154...but do you know what's involved in installing this kit if you plan on doing it yourself...or do you plan on having a gunsmith install it? Replacing just the trigger is not a hard job. The 100-154 kit comes with a more rounded striker block and lighter pressure spring which requires the rear sight to be removed to install...I would suggest you have a gunsmith do at least this part of the installation so you don't damage your slide or rear sight if your a novice and don't have the right tools. The kit also comes with an improved sear with springs. If you plan on doing this work yourself there are several You Tube vids that can help you through it.

 

[ccssid]

100-154...but do you know what's involved in installing this kit if you plan on doing it yourself...or do you plan on having a gunsmith install it? Replacing just the trigger is not a hard job. The 100-154 kit comes with a more rounded striker block and lighter pressure spring which requires the rear sight to be removed to install...I would suggest you have a gunsmith do at least this part of the installation so you don't damage your slide or rear sight if your a novice and don't have the right tools. The kit also comes with an improved sear with springs. If you plan on doing this work yourself there are several You Tube vids that can help you through it.

FWIW.....I did the install myself. Absolutely no issues. YouTube is your friend. Proper tools and patience is a must.

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[Screwball]

I don't have a 2.0, but two regular M&P40s (5" Pro and Compact). Put the Duty/Carry Kit in both, along with the RAM. Left the triggers stock (not a fan of the options from Apex, and like the OEM profile). Was very happy with the change over stock. I also run the Duty/Carry Kit in my J-frame (642-1), and never had an issue.

The kits make the pull lighter, but nowhere near light enough that would cause any detriment to using it as a defensive. I'm sure they clean the pull up on the 2.0s, but I'd liken it to running the G34/G35 connector in a standard Glock. Far from blow on trigger light.

 

[kenshoTX]

From a Carry perspective - is there a liability issue with either/ one over another

 

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154 flat-face

I put the Apex flat- face trigger in my M&P 2.0 9mm compact and I LOVE IT. The pistol is my EDC and fun range gun. The money spent for it was the best investment made! I set (with springs with kit and factory) next to the lightest pull. It's a dream!

 

[Screwball]

From a Carry perspective - is there a liability issue with either/ one over another

You mean if you shoot someone you shouldn't have? Doesn't really make a difference in that situation. Likely will end up in the clinker.

If the gun isn't "unsafe," and you were justified, I can't see a difference between a stock M&P and one with Apex parts making a difference. If you are justified, you are justified...

But like that one AR dust cover example, doesn't mean it won't be used against you civilly.

That being said, I'm heading up to Maine tomorrow morning through Tuesday. Carrying my 642-1, with the Duty/Carry Kit. I'm not worrying about it, because if I need to use the gun, my life (or someone else's) is on the line. That kit makes it easier to connect with the target, so that is as much thought I'm putting into it.

 

[ultratec00]

I installed the 100-127, which is the plastic vs. the aluminum trigger. Turned out very good, but it comes down to personal preference. The biggest difference between the two kits is the flat face trigger AND where the sear breaks in the trigger pull. If you like it breaking towards the back of the stroke, the 100-127/179 are tailored for that. If you like the sear breaking towards the front of the stroke, the 154 is there and includes a replacement disconnect as part of that package for that purpose.

In the 1.0s there's a trigger loop that can be adjusted to tailor where the sear breaks in the stroke. Not so in some of the 2.0s. The disconnect is not readily tailored to one's personal preference.

 

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

I would not put an APEX trigger in a carry gun. It's not necessary for one thing. For another there are legal issues. Sure, the fact that you're in the right or wrong is all that should matter. But when lawyers get involved, right and wrong, facts and justice all get muddied in a hurry.

Now if it's a range only gun, I'd put in an APEX trigger and barrel.

 

[Flyingfool]

I would not put an APEX trigger in a carry gun. It's not necessary for one thing. For another there are legal issues. Sure, the fact that you're in the right or wrong is all that should matter. But when lawyers get involved, right and wrong, facts and justice all get muddied in a hurry.

Now if it's a range only gun, I'd put in an APEX trigger and barrel.

Name a SINGLE case. Just one single case where having a trigger swapped resulted in a conviction. Just one please!

As long as the pull was not super low. I do not believe this is an issue. "Hair triggers" usually the case law is on double action revolvers where the cop or person pulled the hammer back to single action is the issue.

No one can explain to my why a 1.5 lb trigger pull on a stock 1911 is perfectly acceptable, yet somehow mysteriously, a M&P Shield (or other gun) with a modified triggerreducing from a 8 lb pull to 5 or 5.5 lb pull is a huge legal disaster! How is that possible? Why is 1.5 lb OK but somehow 5.5 lb is "bad"?

Sure. Nothing stops any lawyer from bringing up anything in court. But that doesn't mean that it amounts to a darn thing.

Please site the case law where these legsl problems have PROVEN to be a ligitimate and real problem.

We hear about this supposed legal issue all the time. But it is nothing but fear mongering. Nothing but tales and rumor, not based in reality.

How many revolvers get a "trigger job" to smooth and lighten the pull that have been used in self defense. And how many of thise cases resulted in conviction or it even being an issue, as long as the pull was not down to something less than about 5 lbs? Please provide the real evidence to back up the fear mongering.

 

[Real Old Navy]

I don't think installing any aftermarket part is going to make any difference short of modifying your gun to full auto, a mag with too many rounds (state specific) or adding a bump stock which makes your gun illegal anyways unless you have license to do so...and by the way bump stocks are now illegal or soon will be for all you AR owners. Lawyers are scum bags and will try anything to win their case. A couple of years ago I was charged with having a modified shotgun (I pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. offense)..no shooting involved...they confiscated and destroyed it and I paid a fine...but not because it was modified. I pleaded guilty to get the case over with and not keep paying my lawyer for a shotgun worth less than a $1000...although he said he could beat the case. That was my second time involving that same shotgun with the law...the first time involved gang violence on my home...police didn't say poop about it then.