"Gun On Premises" Signage
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bigwheelzip
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Something like this seems appropriate to your situation.
joeintexas
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I don't see where you live, that could also be a factor in answering your questions. When I lived on the farm in Texas I open carried on the property and had a rifle in the gun rack in the back window of the truck, never had a problem. Living in town now I don't advertise my firearms, I do carry concealed. As to signage, I'm with the majority here, why advertise you have firearms inside your home. No trespassing, yes, firearms, no.
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No trespassing signs, absolutely. Dog warnings, absolutely, even if you don't own a dog.
Anything that would give away a tactical advantage (open carry, indications of what you may possess) absolutely not.
I also like what Biku324 mentioned about contacting your insurance company.
Anything that would give away a tactical advantage (open carry, indications of what you may possess) absolutely not.
I also like what Biku324 mentioned about contacting your insurance company.
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You don't mention if said property is rural, suburban or whatever. This doesn't make any difference on the signage, which is a big NO! It does somewhat impact open carry.
Open carry gives away not only your possession of valuable easy to fence items, but the advantage of prospective felons not being aware you're armed. OK, if you're mowing in the middle of a 40 acre field, probably not an issue. In suburbia, it'll doubtless get you regarded as the local nutcase. Which is not a good thing.
Doc, I don't mean this to be offensive, but I strongly suggest you simply find the next MAG 20/40 class from Ayoob Group, crack open the check book and hie thee there.
Open carry gives away not only your possession of valuable easy to fence items, but the advantage of prospective felons not being aware you're armed. OK, if you're mowing in the middle of a 40 acre field, probably not an issue. In suburbia, it'll doubtless get you regarded as the local nutcase. Which is not a good thing.
Doc, I don't mean this to be offensive, but I strongly suggest you simply find the next MAG 20/40 class from Ayoob Group, crack open the check book and hie thee there.
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Rammer Jammer
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Security system signage or No Trespassing are a good idea.
Any signs advertising gun ownership is a bad idea IMO and only advertises that you have something worth stealing.
The really macho signs like "This home doesn't call 911...we call Smith & Wesson," "Trespassers will be shot...repeatedly" can be a liability that may be used against you in a criminal or civil court of law.
Any signs advertising gun ownership is a bad idea IMO and only advertises that you have something worth stealing.
The really macho signs like "This home doesn't call 911...we call Smith & Wesson," "Trespassers will be shot...repeatedly" can be a liability that may be used against you in a criminal or civil court of law.
mdf9183
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I have a sign that says ( The dog has a gun and he refuses to take his medication).
Signs are a case of Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda topped off with a healthy dose of Ifs, Ands, or Buts.
Deterrent effect can be debated for the next millennium. Nobody is right if everybody is wrong. Trespassing signs may offer some amount of legal weight, but trespassing is usually just an add-on charge to help stick to the walls of justice.
Judging by the enormous numbers of crime videos with the faces of the suspects covered, clearly cameras are not am effective deterrent, merely a cause for a countering tactic.
Signs stating "Guns" can place a target on a home. Sign are useless protection when no one is home.
Deterrent effect can be debated for the next millennium. Nobody is right if everybody is wrong. Trespassing signs may offer some amount of legal weight, but trespassing is usually just an add-on charge to help stick to the walls of justice.
Judging by the enormous numbers of crime videos with the faces of the suspects covered, clearly cameras are not am effective deterrent, merely a cause for a countering tactic.
Signs stating "Guns" can place a target on a home. Sign are useless protection when no one is home.
Something like this seems appropriate to your situation.
Amazon has lots of home security signage..... including commercial systems like "Simply Safe", ADT and Brinks
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Pretty sure the first part about the sign is sarcasm.
Deterrence as discussed in your previous thread is the precursor to advertising or using deadly force to defend yourself.
If your deterrence fails and you need to go to deadly force, you need every tactical element stacked in your favor. That includes NOT advertising beforehand you are armed. Such advertising almost ensures the perps will also be armed and ready for a gunfight. It will probably also ensure they will come in greater numbers. You just potentially gave up tactical advantages.
Signage should be simple. Having No Tresspass--Alarm System—Beware of Dogs—Armed—etc., all the signs—just gets ridiculous and will probably communicate that at least some of the signs are false flags and that the homeowners are very scared of interlopers. Not what you are trying to communicate.
If your deterrence fails and you need to go to deadly force, you need every tactical element stacked in your favor. That includes NOT advertising beforehand you are armed. Such advertising almost ensures the perps will also be armed and ready for a gunfight. It will probably also ensure they will come in greater numbers. You just potentially gave up tactical advantages.
Signage should be simple. Having No Tresspass--Alarm System—Beware of Dogs—Armed—etc., all the signs—just gets ridiculous and will probably communicate that at least some of the signs are false flags and that the homeowners are very scared of interlopers. Not what you are trying to communicate.
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GREAT replies!!! Very much appreciated, too. And, NO offence taken by any of the comments!!! I'll now admit to having a pre-conceived notion about both of my questions, and I was more than abit frustrated at the lack of consensus from those entities to whom I made inquiries. All of you have made cogent comments, and support my pre-conceived notion about my questions.
The local state police patrolmen who patrol this area said that just 1 no trespassing in the back, and 1 in the front, both on or near the house, is the best idea. It informs potential miscreants that they aren't welcome, but doesn't allude what may await them should they not heed the warning.
I also contacted our insurance company (thanks again to those who suggested that . . .), and their response was in favor of the "no trespassing" signs as being in compliance with many state statutes pertaining to pre-warning uninvited individuals from entering the property. Conversely, there weren't that keen on any gun signage, due to potential liability issue in the event "something untoward" should happen in the event of an armed altercation. As for the open-carrying, their unofficial position was basically it's not the greatest idea, and their official position was basically "whatever's legal in your state".
Again, fantastic responses from one and all. As they say in the Navy – Well Done!!! We're now even more confident and comfortable with the avenues we're pursuing. Our warmest personal regards to all of you. Thx.
GREAT replies!!! Very much appreciated, too. And, NO offence taken by any of the comments!!! I'll now admit to having a pre-conceived notion about both of my questions, and I was more than abit frustrated at the lack of consensus from those entities to whom I made inquiries. All of you have made cogent comments, and support my pre-conceived notion about my questions.
The local state police patrolmen who patrol this area said that just 1 no trespassing in the back, and 1 in the front, both on or near the house, is the best idea. It informs potential miscreants that they aren't welcome, but doesn't allude what may await them should they not heed the warning.
I also contacted our insurance company (thanks again to those who suggested that . . .), and their response was in favor of the "no trespassing" signs as being in compliance with many state statutes pertaining to pre-warning uninvited individuals from entering the property. Conversely, there weren't that keen on any gun signage, due to potential liability issue in the event "something untoward" should happen in the event of an armed altercation. As for the open-carrying, their unofficial position was basically it's not the greatest idea, and their official position was basically "whatever's legal in your state".
Again, fantastic responses from one and all. As they say in the Navy – Well Done!!! We're now even more confident and comfortable with the avenues we're pursuing. Our warmest personal regards to all of you. Thx.
How about this--
Get a giant sign for your front yard: "Break into my house, steal my guns".
I used a word that would adequately describe doing such a thing. Mods dinged me.
You keep writing about, more or less, intimidating a would-be attacker. This is called "talismanic thinking". It's the tendency to think that because you have A Gun, that you won't need it. It's a horrible mindset:
(a) It encourages a certain degree of boisterousness--"I can deal with this situation, I have a gun!" or even "I don't need to take this nonsense, I have a gun!" instead of "I should get the hell out of here, this situation sucks".
(b) Nobody is scared of your gun. Nobody. What deters attackers is your preparedness, attitude, and ability to communicate.
(c) When you spend all your time thinking about how you won't need to actually use your gun, you won't be able or prepared to use it if you have to.
(d) It encourages poor choices in equipment--"I'm going to carry my 6" nickeled Model 29, because it's big and will scare attackers!" when you've got a perfectly good 10+-shot compact 9mm at home. You should make equipment selections based on what's effective for you to use, not what you think is going to scare a junkie at 3AM.
I'd also not open carry if I could help it. For one thing, it advertises that you have stuff worth stealing. For another, to the uninitiated, it makes you look, frankly, crazy. I have a couple neighbors that used to do that--and although I'm Gun Culture'd enough not to let that change my opinion of them, my opinion of them before that was that they were crazy. Now I thought they were bat-guano crazy.
Don't be like my crazy old neighbors. IWB a nice pistol.
Grayfox
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The bad guy should never know you're armed until the second bullet hits him in the chest.
Like other above, nothing on my person, vehicles or property indicates my political bent or gun ownership/affiliations.
I practice with my CC and nightstand guns and endeavor to be a 'grayman'.
I practice with my CC and nightstand guns and endeavor to be a 'grayman'.
Living in South Texas, we don't need no stinkin' signs. Everyone knows.
I'm not surprised by the lack of consensus and would not expect endorsement of "gun" signage nor OC. It is not in the general good nature of public officials to endorse packing a gun to defend one's self. A few sheriffs/LEOs will, but overall, it is not their policy to do so.
Likewise with insurance companies. Of course they are not in favor of anything that may increase liability, defined as taking money out of their pockets.
No Trespassing signs may have a required placement according to some states--number of signs, distance between signs, specified locations, etc. Check state laws before posting them willy-nilly. Or the state may not require any signage at all if a criminal intent/act was involved.
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Putting up signs that you have guns on the property or in your vehicle is just stupid. It is not a deterrent. Bad guys knock on the door, no one home, kick it in & steal your stuff. A better bet is back to the dog. A sign with a large dog on it saying beware of dog, add a alarm company sign, far better than telling everyone you have guns in an otherwise empty house, especially out of town.
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I can't speak to the current laws, but it used to be in some states the presence or absence of No Trespassing signs determined the difference between simple trespass and criminal trespass charges.
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