And now it's my turn to agree to disagree. I firmly believe every gun owner should support the NRA. You can't always pick and choose your allies, but an intelligent person should be able to recognize them. Work to recruit those who haven't joined.
Extreme Threat to the NRA!
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One of the main reasons the unemployment rate is so low and also one of the reasons the Social Security system is so stressed is the aging and retirement of the Baby Boomers. I don't see why we should expect it will be different for the NRA or service clubs/organizations.
Roosevelt gets hammered online for creating a SocSec system that's so out of whack today - I say nonsense. Who could have predicted a world war that would kill 1/8th of the world population, then a breeding frenzy the likes of which has never been seen? After roughly 2034, when most of us are enjoying our earned afterlives (good or not), SocSec will return to some semblance of design normalcy.
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My father (was) an ardent gun owner, collector and shooter. But he was also a disabled vet who didn't have a lot of extra money. In his later years he didn't buy much ammunition or shoot much. Nothing I could say would get him to join the NRA. He always said one member in the family should suffice, and he couldn't afford the cost. Naturally I shared all my American Rifleman magazines with him, so he was well read on what was happening.
OTOH, whenever an anti-gun bill would come up, he would call the politicians and/or write a letter. He always found a way to afford the postage.
IMHO, active participation trumps contributing money to the cause.
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Mike_Fontenot
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Active participation is fine, even noble, but it's the NRA clout that has saved our gun rights (so far). There's a reason the libs have such hatred for the NRA.
Chubbo
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Succeeding as planed.
The people that want our our first, and second amendment rights removed, are succeeding, as planned! They have us gun owners, and free speakers fighting among ourselves, and if we continue to do so, it will assure our ultimate defeat. Their strategy is, brilliant, very nicely executed, and succeeding very well. This strategy works well on individuals, groups, and complete countries, such as the USA. Take note of the countries that have lost their civil rights in the past. "WAKE UP TIME".
Chubbo
The people that want our our first, and second amendment rights removed, are succeeding, as planned! They have us gun owners, and free speakers fighting among ourselves, and if we continue to do so, it will assure our ultimate defeat. Their strategy is, brilliant, very nicely executed, and succeeding very well. This strategy works well on individuals, groups, and complete countries, such as the USA. Take note of the countries that have lost their civil rights in the past. "WAKE UP TIME".
Chubbo
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Well, that's one way to look at it. But I'm old enough to have been around in 1994 when the decade long "Clinton Ban" was passed with support from both sides. I also remember the first few decades of my life when I, as an Ohioan, could not legally concealed carry a handgun. Fast forward to today and I can buy any high-capacity semi-auto that I desire. I can also legally carry my handgun pretty much everywhere I go. If anything, we aren't losing...we've gained ground. Ask the folks in California who are now, again buying 30 round magazines. When was the last time they could do that?
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Mike_Fontenot
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NONE of that would have happened without the NRA. And ALL of that will be reversed if the NRA is destroyed.
500SNW
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Here's how it really happened...in Ohio at least.
Ohio Gun Rights Timeline - A Journey Towards Freedom | Buckeye Firearms Association
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I understand the point you're trying to make, okay?
I think it's wrong, though, to describe the anti-gunners as succeeding in their plans. I also think it's a bad idea to describe anything associated with them as "brilliant" and their plans as being "nicely executed".
Talk like that, in my opinion, only gives them the incentive to work harder at it, and to give them a false confidence that they're actually accomplishing something with their often illegal tactics.
Lots of folks seem to believe that people like us, pro-gun, pro-hunting, pro-2A are the only ones reading and posting on gun forums. If people think we're the only ones doing that...especially on high-visibility/high-usage forums like this one...they're sadly mistaken. I can almost guarantee you anti-gun zealots go over forums and threads like this with a fine-tooth comb, just looking for chinks in our armor. I don't believe I'm being paranoid when I say that, either.
Seriously, we want the anti-gunners/anti-2A people to stop what they're doing. We do not want to sound as if we're on some sort of defeatist Highway to Hell.
Hawker800
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Someone has tested too many light sockets.
500SNW
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I agree with much of what Watchdog has said here. I would also add that the absolute worst thing gun owning Citizens can do to ourselves is to create a "We"...or an "Us and Them" mentality regarding private firearms ownership and the Second Amendment. I don't ever want to see unity, solidarity among the nations gun owners. Once that happens we, all of us become a mere "special interest group" or worse, a minority. The R2KBA is every living breathing Citizen's Right...all 330 million...and even the most ardent antis out there, nevertheless possess that Right too...even if they choose not to exercise it. Basically, what I'm saying is to never let it become a mathematical thing...the number of gun owners vs. non-gun owners...or "majority rules" will indeed take away legal ownership.
Hope that made sense
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While we may frequently disagree on some things, I have to say that I agree with the Watchdog 100% on this one.
I also think we need to quit allowing them to redefine the terms of the debate. We need to stop using phrases like "assault weapons" and "gun free zones" and call them what they really are "semi-automatic rifles" and "defenseless victim zones".
Lastly, I think you left a critical word or two out of your statement 500SNW. At least I hope what you MEANT to say is something more like
"I don't ever want to see disunity, or a lack of solidarity among the nations gun owners"
or "I don't ever want to see an end to unity and solidarity among the nations gun owners."
You DO want to see all of us as gun owners standing united in solidarity with one another, and against the anti-Second-Amendment forces, right?
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For the record, there were 81,283 NRA members at the NRAAM last week. There was a lot of support and enthusiasm in the hallways, exhibit hall, and at the various speeches.
The vendors I spoke to in the exhibit hall reported that floor traffic was high. The ones selling products reported good sales.
While there are problems, I think that cooler heads will prevail. Wayne LaPierre may or may not stay, but I don't know that any one individual matters in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe all of that will change in a couple of years, but I rather doubt it.
The vendors I spoke to in the exhibit hall reported that floor traffic was high. The ones selling products reported good sales.
While there are problems, I think that cooler heads will prevail. Wayne LaPierre may or may not stay, but I don't know that any one individual matters in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe all of that will change in a couple of years, but I rather doubt it.
Chubbo
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I told the truth.
I presented what I believe to be the truth. I don't think that my comments gave our opponents any incentive to try harder, as their 'shenanigans' have been successful, without our help.
My intent, was to try to wake up some of our, slow to learn, 'Pro gun' activists, to cold reality, Our illegal, 'anti gun' opponents, should be informed, in easy understood terms that we will accept 'no' infringements, of our 1st, and 2nd, amendment rights, from 'anyone'.
As to that "defeatist, Highway to Hell" that you mentioned, Look closer, it looks as though, we may already be on it.
The appropriate slogan in your sign, says it all. "Join or Die".
"WAKE UP FOLKS". It's time to take a stand.
Chubbo
I understand the point you're trying to make, okay?
I think it's wrong, though, to describe the anti-gunners as succeeding in their plans. I also think it's a bad idea to describe anything associated with them as "brilliant" and their plans as being "nicely executed".
Talk like that, in my opinion, only gives them the incentive to work harder at it, and to give them a false confidence that they're actually accomplishing something with their often illegal tactics.
Lots of folks seem to believe that people like us, pro-gun, pro-hunting, pro-2A are the only ones reading and posting on gun forums. If people think we're the only ones doing that...especially on high-visibility/high-usage forums like this one...they're sadly mistaken. I can almost guarantee you anti-gun zealots go over forums and threads like this with a fine-tooth comb, just looking for chinks in our armor. I don't believe I'm being paranoid when I say that, either.
Seriously, we want the anti-gunners/anti-2A people to stop what they're doing. We do not want to sound as if we're on some sort of defeatist Highway to Hell.
I presented what I believe to be the truth. I don't think that my comments gave our opponents any incentive to try harder, as their 'shenanigans' have been successful, without our help.
My intent, was to try to wake up some of our, slow to learn, 'Pro gun' activists, to cold reality, Our illegal, 'anti gun' opponents, should be informed, in easy understood terms that we will accept 'no' infringements, of our 1st, and 2nd, amendment rights, from 'anyone'.
As to that "defeatist, Highway to Hell" that you mentioned, Look closer, it looks as though, we may already be on it.
The appropriate slogan in your sign, says it all. "Join or Die".
"WAKE UP FOLKS". It's time to take a stand.
Chubbo
Here’s a new WSJ article on the controversy at the NRA, with a link to letters discussing LaPierre’s travel and clothing expenses: Leaked Letters Reveal Details of NRA Chief’s Alleged Spending - WSJ
Article says: NRA is suing its ad agency for not providing sufficient details on its charges. Ad agency says it can’t provide the details on money it was required by the NRA to spend on LaPierre’s behalf for clothing and travel unless NRA provides it with the details of what he bought. NRA board states full confidence in LaPierre.
Article says: NRA is suing its ad agency for not providing sufficient details on its charges. Ad agency says it can’t provide the details on money it was required by the NRA to spend on LaPierre’s behalf for clothing and travel unless NRA provides it with the details of what he bought. NRA board states full confidence in LaPierre.
This really bothers me. NRA funds are being wasted and they ask for more?
Do I really want to give them more? I’m conflicted here.
I agree they the best we have in the fight for gun rights. But this is no way to attract and keep new members.
We need to stand together. ALL gun owners should contribute to a 2A organization and stop getting a free ride on the rest of us.
Do I really want to give them more? I’m conflicted here.
I agree they the best we have in the fight for gun rights. But this is no way to attract and keep new members.
We need to stand together. ALL gun owners should contribute to a 2A organization and stop getting a free ride on the rest of us.
