Carry condition for CZ 75B

[ladder13]

Just remember that razor-sharp serrated trigger issue. I recommend getting one with the smooth black trigger... but even better, try both before buying. Some folks like the serrated trigger for when it's cold or wet outside or if your hands tend to get real sweaty. For me it's just too uncomfortable... and I plan to change it first opportunity I get.

Yes, I remember that conversation about the trigger. I have to say, the CZ's, well at least the PCR from what I've handled, has the most perfect grip, for me, of any gun out there.
The only rival, again for me, are Spegels on revolvers, they just fit so perfect.

 

[TTSH]

Yes, I remember that conversation about the trigger. I have to say, the CZ's, well at least the PCR from what I've handled, has the most perfect grip, for me, of any gun out there.
The only rival, again for me, are Spegels on revolvers, they just fit so perfect.

I probably should have added that some folks prefer the serrated trigger but file down the sharp edges so that they don't draw so much blood!

Those sticky, aggressively-checkered rubber grips do give the gun a tight and solid hold for sure. Once again, it has taken a lot for me to get used to them simply because they are so different from what I am used to. If they work well for you, that's a huge plus.

 

[dmar]

1776, I'm not sure of the original design intent, but clearly it is a choice whether to carry cocked and locked, or DA. I like that the platform gives the flexibility to choose either option.

I've got four CZs, a couple have the decocker and a couple have the safety. I prefer to carry in 1/4 cock DA. Personally, I've found the safeties on the CZs to not have the most secure engagement. I've had one of mine disengage in the holster when trying cocked and lock carry with it. I've carried quite a bit with Colt 1911s and those safeties have a much more secure engagement.

Anyway, DA carry is a great option and my CZs have very good DA triggers. In a real world situation DA is a fast-fire option, just pull the trigger, no safety to think about/fiddle with. And, if you have time, you can always cock the hammer for a lighter trigger pull. Win/win...

Also, I really don't understand all of the drama surrounding manually decocking a loaded gun. Point the muzzle in a safe direction and use some deliberate care in the process. Been doing it safely for many years...

 

[bigwheelzip]

Also, I really don't understand all of the drama surrounding manually decocking a loaded gun. Point the muzzle in a safe direction and use some deliberate care in the process.

Some gun owners don't control enough property to have a safe direction for muzzle orientation when pulling the trigger on a loaded chamber. I do it flawlessly all the time on an empty chamber, but there is Murphy's law to consider when loaded.

JaPes's clearing bucket (Post 6) is a good solution.

 

[murphydog]

I am not familiar with the firing pin system on the CZ 75 - if the half-cock notch shears from a blow (such as being dropped), will the hammer have enough momentum to fire it? If so, wouldn't it be safer to carry it with the hammer fully down?

 

[TTSH]

I am not familiar with the firing pin system on the CZ 75 - if the half-cock notch shears from a blow (such as being dropped), will the hammer have enough momentum to fire it? If so, wouldn't it be safer to carry it with the hammer fully down?

This is where my CZ "expertise" abruptly ends and I have to rely on others. I note that at least some alleged CZ Gurus insist that you are better off (safer from dropping, impacts) carrying at half-cock than carrying hammer down.

That said, I'm more than happy to stand corrected and delete this post if others here know better.

 

[MikeR90S]

Since we are talking about the CZ-75B, the firing pin safety would take care of things if the half cock notch gave way on impact. On a vintage pre-block 75 or 85 this is not the case.

The advantage of using the half cock is a shorter DA pull in addition to the comments above.

 

[bigwheelzip]

I am not familiar with the firing pin system on the CZ 75 - if the half-cock notch shears from a blow (such as being dropped), will the hammer have enough momentum to fire it? If so, wouldn't it be safer to carry it with the hammer fully down?

There is a model 75, and one of it's successors since the early 90's, the 75B. The 75B has the firing pin safety. This is from the CZ75B owners manual. The Decocking section is for decocker equipped models, though applicable to manual decocking.

 

[murphydog]

Thanks for posting. So, from this I gather when the hammer is fully forward the firing pin block is working, but if at half-cock it is not? Or if it slips forward from half-cock the firing pin block will prevent a discharge?

 

[bigwheelzip]

Thanks for posting. So, from this I gather when the hammer is fully forward the firing pin block is working, but if at half-cock it is not? Or if it slips forward from half-cock the firing pin block will prevent a discharge?

The firing pin block is engaged in all three hammer positions on the 75B model. It will not fire unless the trigger is pulled.

The firing pin block on the CZ is a vertical plunger in the slide spring loaded downward,
When it is down it blocks the firing pin from moving forward enough to strike a primer, but there is a small amount of movement.
There is a lever in the sear cage that presses the plunger upward only when the trigger is pulled.
As the plunger moves up it allows the firing pin full movement. It can now strike the primer.

The half-cocked position created by the safety stop on the hammer, will stop the hammer falling if you are manually decocking with a pull and release of the the trigger, once the hammer starts moving forward.

BTW: The thumb safety on the 75B is only able to be engaged in the fully cocked hammer position.

 

[JohnRippert]

BTW: The thumb safety on the 75B is only able to be engaged in the fully cocked hammer position.

Which is interesting to me. On my SP01 Shadow the safety can be engaged on 1/4 or full cock.

 

[MikeR90S]

Hmmm Abby normal.

 

[bigwheelzip]

Which is interesting to me. On my SP01 Shadow the safety can be engaged on 1/4 or full cock.

Yes, that model is known for that.

I'll pass this tidbit on as a rumor I know nothing factual about. There are a couple of models like your SP that the safety engages in multiple hammer positions. The "Rumor" is that in those other safe positions, a heavy pull of the trigger can damage internal parts causing a malfunction. Like I said, that's just something I read on a CZ forum.

 

[poordevil]

I was watching a movie the other day which was dated 1930..... The folks using auto pistols had them loaded with a round in the chamber.

Why have an auto pistol if it is not as ready to go as a revolver?

They knew it 75 years ago .. why do we not know it today???.....

 

[ContinentalOp]

I was watching a movie the other day which was dated 1930..... The folks using auto pistols had them loaded with a round in the chamber.

Why have an auto pistol if it is not as ready to go as a revolver?

They knew it 75 years ago .. why do we not know it today???.....

I'm confused. What does that have to do with this thread?

 

[bigggbbruce]

I have an EAA Witness in 10mm(I'd have a CZ but they don't offer 10mm)

The operation of the Witness is the same as a 75B.. I practice drawing from concealed on a regular basis.

I draw and pull trigger from DA then lower hammer to 1/4 cock and repeat.

My gun is holstered ONLY in 1/4 cock. As noted just be careful. 100's of times so far and all good.

 

[bigmatt17073]

Which is interesting to me. On my SP01 Shadow the safety can be engaged on 1/4 or full cock.

That has to do with the depth of the hammer hooks and their relation to the sear, and the sear/safety relation. The 75B models have more sear engagement so the safety can only engaged fully cocked. The Shadows has less sear engagement (for a better trigger) so often the safety can be engaged at the 1/2 cock notch. I have three B models with a CZ Custom Competition hammer (which require fitting of the safety for correct function), and all three I can engage the safety decocked, 1/2 cock or fully.

 

[TX-Dennis]

I carry my Rami hammer down on a loaded chamber. I sometimes pocket carry it, and I'm not comfortable with cocked and locked in my pocket. So I carry it the same way all the time even when not pocket carrying. I don't want to have to remember which way it's being carried today if I ever need it (God forbid).

 

[max503]

Please excuse my OT post, but I have a chance to get a like new 75B, with an extra mag and box. They want $450. Is that a good price?

I have no problem lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber. Been doing it all my life with single shot shotguns and the like. Don't recall ever having an AD.

 

[bigggbbruce]

If you don't have to drive far, that's a good price. BD's bring more.