OMG - I have been drug off into the dark side. Black guns!

I have not really been that fond of Glocks, have yet to own one, but that will change in a couple of months. I have not liked the finger grooves, and I just don't like the feel of the trigger's surface. I have no feelings towards striker fired, yet.



Because I work my club's Glock match, I will pick up a G17 Gen5, so I can shoot the matches with a pistol I am familiar with. Two and a half enhancements are on deck: installation of an extended slide release, installation of a Glock rear adjustable sight, and smoothing the trigger face. This will definitely not be a carry gun. Carry will be limited to: a 1911 Commander, the Sig P320 Xcompact I won, or my 686+ 3". Any future Glocks will have to have been prizes.
Three great carry options listed here. The Sig X Compact is a great handgun and very ergonomic. As well as some reasonable Glock mods. The finger grooves surprisingly fit my hands, I'm in the minority I believe. I do believe the factory sight options are the weak point for the Glock, however the aftermarket has got something for everyone!

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My G19 is the VW Beetle of guns... simple, reliable, easy to clean/maintain, and (unlike the Beetle) very corrosion-resistant. I've got cooler and prettier guns, but none I'd rather have when TSHTF.
 
Soldier on, SAFireman. You're not alone. Glocks are proven battle and defensive handguns...ugly beyond belief...but accurate, durable, and reliable. We have a Gen4 G19 in the family (wife's choice) that I've taken a shine to. I replaced the factory sights with high viz fiber optics, and I've had a blast running outdoor range defensive shoot/move courses with it. It currently resides in my bedside dresser, next to my P225 A1. Mrs. Ranger gets the G19, should univited guests make an unannounced visit. I'll back her up with the Sig :)
 
Ohh Nooo!! Don't do it!! Save yourself!! Turn around and walk toward the reflection from the polished stainless steel.

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Three years ago.
I volunteered to be an RSO at a Glock Match.
At the time I did not own one Glock or participate in a Match.
Now I own Three pistols and have competed in each Match since.
I am a fan of the pistol. Different calibers, slide length.
But common point of aim "sight picture" and trigger.

Papa
 
Re: ... "But for a black plastic soulless gun, Glocks are pretty cool I think." Yep. About like a Warthog ... not at all graceful like other planes, but absolutely a soulless thing when it gets lined up on target! Brings all kinds of warm and happy thoughts to the hearts of those who called in its support. Brings all kinds of cold and fearful thoughts to the hearts of those who find themselves staring down the barrels of that center mounted Gatling Gun. No soul. No sympathy. No nothing. Just all business. In my book ... Way Cool! Sincerely. bruce.
 
Nice squeeze cockers! I've got one on my bucket buy list.

I've always admired the Teutonic stapler, even if I've never personally shot one.

The first HK P series that I shot belonged to a US Customs Pistol team member, he was at the range helping the Boy Scouts with a shoot. I was sold right then and there. It took some time, but I got one, and then another. Turns out, I know a few disciples of the P7 and they are helping me along the way.
 
Re: ... "But for a black plastic soulless gun, Glocks are pretty cool I think." Yep. About like a Warthog ... not at all graceful like other planes, but absolutely a soulless thing when it gets lined up on target! Brings all kinds of warm and happy thoughts to the hearts of those who called in its support. Brings all kinds of cold and fearful thoughts to the hearts of those who find themselves staring down the barrels of that center mounted Gatling Gun. No soul. No sympathy. No nothing. Just all business. In my book ... Way Cool! Sincerely. bruce.

Yup...

I own one Glock now, a 4th gen G20. Ive had a goodly number of them. Traded most for old Smiths a while back...
 
I have not really been that fond of Glocks, have yet to own one, but that will change in a couple of months. I have not liked the finger grooves, and I just don't like the feel of the trigger's surface. I have no feelings towards striker fired, yet.

We can fix that! There are a couple options for the trigger, unless you just hate the feel of the safety blade. There are only two fixes for that. One is really dumb, and the other is called "the H&K LEM trigger".

I believe that even on the Gen 5, Glocks are sold with one of two OEM triggers, one smooth and the other serrated, depending on the model's configuration. Swapping between these would be super-simple and cost about $15 for a complete trigger assembly.

The other option is to go aftermarket. Companies like Apex Tactical offer aftermarket triggers, generally around the $40 price range. Check out the flat-face triggers if the standard Glock curve doesn't fit your finger.

There are also a ton of things you can to change the trigger pull around, if you find the wall not to your liking.

tlawler said:
I don't own any presently and I do think they are ugly

My Glocks think you're ugly.

:D
 
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We can fix that! There are a couple options for the trigger, unless you just hate the feel of the safety blade. There are only two fixes for that. One is really dumb, and the other is called "the H&K LEM trigger".

I believe that even on the Gen 5, Glocks are sold with one of two OEM triggers, one smooth and the other serrated, depending on the model's configuration. Swapping between these would be super-simple and cost about $15 for a complete trigger assembly.

:D

Thank you! Because the past few Glocks that I have fired in GSSF matches have been lent to me, I haven't really had a chance to sit down and analyze the trigger. I do acknowledge that any trigger mods have to conform to GSSF rules, and acceptable aftermarket options appear to be limited.

I know that my biggest complaint is the right side of the trigger face, it's roughness would rub my trigger finger a bit raw after a stage or two of fire. Not being that familiar with the Glock, I have developed a hypothesis that the source of the discomfort could be one of 3 issues:
a) improper trigger finger placement due to wrong size grip backstrap,
b) sharp edge of the safe action blade, or
c) the actual surface of the trigger face.

Ideally, I would love a trigger face comparable to the smooth face of a S&W combat trigger.
 
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Please allow me to set the record straight on Glocks:

For 11 years I owned 4 Glocks, all 3rd gen. G-17 full size 9mm, G-23 .40, G-36 compact .45, and a G-21 full size .45. I could take one down and reassemble it in 20 seconds. They ALL performed perfectly. In that 11 years I kept shooting records of all the guns I bought new and for those 4 the total was just under 23,000 rounds. Not one problem of any kind. Not EVER. I carried all of them at one time or other depending on the situation and how I was dressed.

.Yes they are ugly.
.took me a little time to get used to the grip angle and trigger
.some people laughed at me (except at the range when their high dollar kimbers were jamming

But I found them to be very accurate right out of the box and always, ALWAYS went bang when I pulled the trigger. Consistent shot grouping.

You hear a lot of ridicule and even hate for Glocks. A lot of people base their opinions on what they have read or heard from others that don't know what they are talking about. There must be a name for people that form opinions with out any information but I don't know what it is. But I form MY opinions of Glocks on 11 years and nearly 23,000 rounds down range and I feel like that give me credibility.

I'd guess that 99% of the problems people have had with them is a result of some modification the did to it. I never believed in modifying a gun. I always bought the gun I wanted instead of buying a gun I didn't want and trying to make into one that I did.

Now I know that opinions will vary. Some have tried a Glock and didn't like it. That is fine and dandy with me. But what grinds my gears is those that run around spouting about "Plastic guns" and "tupperware" guns etc and have never even fired one or held one in there hand.

I have converted a few 1911 snobs in my time. Now don't get me wrong here. I love 1911s I have 2 of them and they are a dream. But that doesn't detract from the excellence of the Glock. I love all quality guns. Before I sold most of my modest collection I also had Colts, S&Ws, Rugers, Sigs, and Berettas. Enjoyed owning and shooting them all. I just think that if you restrict yourself to only one brand of fire arm you are missing out on a lot of great shooting and gun owning experiences.

Oh, and just FYI a Glock will NOT melt in the trunk of a car. ;)
 
S&W to Glocks.

Back in the early 1980s I became Director of a small campus public safety department. Uniform officers carried nickel Model 19s and I carried a Model 60 and we had two Model 64s (2" ) in inventory. By mid 1990s we needed to transition to semi-autos. I chose the Glock 22 & 23s. We traded in ALL the S&Ws on the Glocks. Most of the officers bought back their 19s from FFL dealer for about $250. I wasn't into collecting at the time so I didn't repurchase any of the revolvers.

Retired 5 years now and the Department is on second set of Glocks. When I retired I was asked if I wanted my G23. Said no that I liked the new S&W Shield 9mm. At retirement dinner I was presented with one. Never had my hands on Glock since. Glocks are a good sidearm and the new .22lr one interests me. May be the first one I own since retirement.
 
Way back when Glocks were a new item, and in the news for the ridiculous claims of circumventing airport security, I got hold of the Gen 1 G17. It was the only Glock model available at the time.
I was shooting IPSC at the time, and some guys were loading 9mm to make Major. I did too for awhile.
Our hot/humid months made shooting that slick-framed 17 like holding a wet bar of soap. No one I knew had any idea about stippling them. Did see some bike inner tubes stretched over some of'em - helped a little.

Also found that 17 would seemingly feed and shoot almost anything - recall running 'culled' reloads through it that no respectable 9mm would accept.
The novelty wore off and it eventually went away in a trade. I always had an issue with the grip angle, the foreign feeling trigger and the slick frame.

Scan ahead many years and they're as common as Coca-Cola.
I picked up a used LE trade-in Gen 2 G19 just to keep handy and to serve as a truck gun.
Ran through drills and paces, and no surprise, it excelled.

I liken having a Glock much like owning a nice Estwing framing hammer.
It does what it does very well, but not much likelihood of being a prized possession and having actual pride of ownership.
- You ever been to anyone's house and they say "Hey, lemme show you my new hammer?" ;)
 

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