Is the Model 41.........

From all accounts by its owners the Model 41 is a nice target pistol, but it is also picky about ammo and how it is held. Swapping out ammo (including running some heavier stuff as mentioned above) and (even new) magazines and polishing the feed ramp is a better starting fix than tinkering with the springs.
 
From all accounts by its owners the Model 41 is a nice target pistol, but it is also picky about ammo and how it is held. Swapping out ammo (including running some heavier stuff as mentioned above) and (even new) magazines and polishing the feed ramp is a better starting fix than tinkering with the springs.

Thanks for the info.

As previously stated, I don't believe a gun with this reputation and cost should have to have the consumer polishing feed ramps and using ammo other than what the company says it will run unless they so desire.

As for mags, I have use the two that came with it, a new one I purchased, and the two from my SW622. All react the same.

Thanks again. We'll just have to see what happens upon it's return.
 
Slide Lubricant?

Curious as to what type of lube you're using on your slide, also what is your shooting environment? If its cold and you're using grease rather than light oil, it could explain your FTF's and no slide lock-backs.

I've experience that myself with my plastic M&P's and was warned against using heavy oil in some target pistols (specifically not to use grease in a a SIG P210A). That said, I've got both a new and old M41's in which I exclusively shoot SV (SK+) ammo and have not experienced failures as you've described. I hope that you get it sorted out. -S2
 
I have owned three

It has been a while, but I have owned three model 41's. All were made before 1990, I just never checked dates back then. I just put one on lay-a-way. All three previous guns were ammo sensitive. No CCI Standard Velocity back then. I HAD to use Remington target ammo. Not sure why, but the Remington worked perfectly in all three of those guns. Shot good too. Guns all had to be kept pretty clean, especially the bolt face and chamber area.
 
Curious as to what type of lube you're using on your slide, also what is your shooting environment? If its cold and you're using grease rather than light oil, it could explain your FTF's and no slide lock-backs.

I've experience that myself with my plastic M&P's and was warned against using heavy oil in some target pistols (specifically not to use grease in a a SIG P210A). That said, I've got both a new and old M41's in which I exclusively shoot SV (SK+) ammo and have not experienced failures as you've described. I hope that you get it sorted out. -S2

Hi Speedo2 - I live in eastern Tennessee and we don't get what I would call cold weather like we did when I lived in Michigan.

The first time I shot the original and replacement 41's was indoors at Bud's Gun Shop and Range here in Sevierville, TN. After it came back from repair I shot it in at my house and the temperature was in the 60's.

As for lube, before I sent it to SW the first time I cleaned it and did a light coat of Hoppe's Lubricating Oil w/Weather Guard(whatever that is). I didn't lube it when I got it out for the box from the repair. I shot it just like they supposedly did.
 
It has been a while, but I have owned three model 41's. All were made before 1990, I just never checked dates back then. I just put one on lay-a-way. All three previous guns were ammo sensitive. No CCI Standard Velocity back then. I HAD to use Remington target ammo. Not sure why, but the Remington worked perfectly in all three of those guns. Shot good too. Guns all had to be kept pretty clean, especially the bolt face and chamber area.

Mine would run good with the Remington target too. I think it had a green or blue label. 100 packs
 
Blacked o s, when you tire of sending your 41 back and forth to S&W for repairs. David Sams or KC's Kustom Creations or several other competent gunsmiths known to others on this site can get it running like the racehorse it is supposed to be. S&W barely can assemble the line it sells much less service the troubled ones. Waste of time to send for free service in my experience. Sorry you got one of the few that does not work.
 
Blacked o s, when you tire of sending your 41 back and forth to S&W for repairs. David Sams or KC's Kustom Creations or several other competent gunsmiths known to others on this site can get it running like the racehorse it is supposed to be. S&W barely can assemble the line it sells much less service the troubled ones. Waste of time to send for free service in my experience. Sorry you got one of the few that does not work.

Thanks n c rod. If they can't fix it I won't be owning it. I've spent enough money and time on this. It will be the last "new" SW I purchase. Maybe I can graduate to Hi Point. :D
 
I don't own a mod 41 but I used to build them during the mid 80's. Fitters are, or were back then, required to assemble a certain amount of guns. We were on "piece work", the more you made the more you got payed. I don't know how it is now. On the most part, fitters were very conscientious of building a quality product. Some were better than others. Building a gun that had problems functioning would cut into a fitters quantity of guns per day resulting in less pay. You were required to re-fit problem guns on your own time, some were worse than others, but on the whole, most guns went through with no problems. Regarding sending guns back to be reworked, the time I was working in "outside repair" we would get guns in from customers with an enclosed letter stating there concerns. We would do a total re-fit if necessary, we were not under pressure to do a required amount per day. One problem with building new guns or repair work from a customer is the fitter does NOT fire the guns after work is done, we were at the mercy of the people in the range for feedback on function. On rare occasions when fitting the Model 52's I would go into the range to observe the guns being machine rest fired if there was an unusual "problem gun". Otherwise only specific people were allowed in the testing range.
 
I don't own a mod 41 but I used to build them during the mid 80's. Fitters are, or were back then, required to assemble a certain amount of guns. We were on "piece work", the more you made the more you got payed. I don't know how it is now. On the most part, fitters were very conscientious of building a quality product. Some were better than others. Building a gun that had problems functioning would cut into a fitters quantity of guns per day resulting in less pay. You were required to re-fit problem guns on your own time, some were worse than others, but on the whole, most guns went through with no problems. Regarding sending guns back to be reworked, the time I was working in "outside repair" we would get guns in from customers with an enclosed letter stating there concerns. We would do a total re-fit if necessary, we were not under pressure to do a required amount per day. One problem with building new guns or repair work from a customer is the fitter does NOT fire the guns after work is done, we were at the mercy of the people in the range for feedback on function. On rare occasions when fitting the Model 52's I would go into the range to observe the guns being machine rest fired if there was an unusual "problem gun". Otherwise only specific people were allowed in the testing range.

That's for the insight! I, perhaps like many, thought the person doing the repair was the person test firing the gun. Only makes sense to me to see if "I" fixed the issue and not have a third party translated it for me.

This return has an "elevated" status, whatever that means. So hopefully I should return not too long from now. It is scheduled to be delivered today. Thanks again.
 
“Machine rest” could be the difference. No “limp wrist with that.
I would prefer someone actually fire the weapon.
 
I have taken my model 41 bolt appart. I also checked the holes in a new one.

The holes for the firing pin and extactor and spring were gritty or rough inside on both. So I polished the entire bolts. Now the firing pin and the extractor feel smooth as glass when moving on both.

But then again I'm an ex toolmaker and I look for operations that I would have done.

+1 on the wolf spring kit.
 
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I have taken my model 41 bolt appart. I also checked the holes in a new one.

The holes for the firing pin and extactor and spring were gritty or rough inside on both. So I polished the entire bolts. Now the firing pin and the extractor feel smooth as glass when moving on both.

But then again I'm an ex toolmaker and I look for operations that I would have done.

+1 on the wolf spring kit.

Are you saying this should be done on a new $1,400 gun? Thanks.
 
Are you saying this should be done on a new $1,400 gun? Thanks.

No, I'm not saying that, but wanted to point out that if your bolt has gritty holes, especially the hole that holds the spring and plunger for the ejector, that could play a part with the problems your having.

If it was me, I would send it back, get a refund and buy another one.

I'm glad I didn't have to send mine out to some high priced Smith to "work wonders" when all their going to do is POLISH PARTS !
 
No, I'm not saying that, but wanted to point out that if your bolt has gritty holes, especially the hole that holds the spring and plunger for the ejector, that could play a part with the problems your having.

If it was me, I would send it back, get a refund and buy another one.

I'm glad I didn't have to send mine out to some high priced Smith to "work wonders" when all their going to do is POLISH PARTS !

Thanks again for the input.

I am hoping SW will take a look at that if that can be the issue and hopefully will do a complete tear down to get to the root of the issues. From my past experience with them I find they usually just change a few little parts, like ejector, extractor, etc, and send it back out the door. I don't think they do a thorough job of looking at it.

As for, "If it was me, I would send it back, get a refund and buy another one.", this is the SECOND one. Please check the opening statement. That is part of the reason for having a short wick this time around. The first one I had was basically the same and now this one is sent back for the second time.

FedEx delivered it to them yesterday so we just have to wait. Not an easy thing to do though.
 
my third replacement slide is working effectively - like the other four. That makes 2 of 7 brand new magazines in my pistol prone to failure to eject...
 
my third replacement slide is working effectively - like the other four. That makes 2 of 7 brand new magazines in my pistol prone to failure to eject...

So..................... that's what I to look forward to. :)

I think this was a fourteen hundred dollar mistake.
 
So..................... that's what I to look forward to. :)

I think this was a fourteen hundred dollar mistake.

Send it to Alex Hamilton at Ten Ring Precision. One of the best Model 41 gunsmiths in the country.

He'll straighten it out. He can re-line the barrel, too.
 
Send it to Alex Hamilton at Ten Ring Precision. One of the best Model 41 gunsmiths in the country.

He'll straighten it out. He can re-line the barrel, too.

Like I previously said, this is a NEW $1,400 gun. Why would anyone put hundreds of more dollars into it to "... straighten it out?" Thanks for the input.
 

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