School me on 10mm. Are S&W the only single stacks, etc.?

[mbliss57]

School me on 10mm. Are S&W the only single stacks, etc.?

I bought a Sig P220 Elite SS 10mm SAO in January. These are single stacks and are built as well as the original 3rd gen 10xx series. Which is a good argument that S&W 3rd gen autos would sell well if reintroduced.

 

[FoundFather]

MBliss, that Sig is a very fine looking gun. I thought they all had rails, glad to see they don't. Very nice!

 

[Sevens]

Sonny had two magazines for that BREN 10

I saw him do a mag change in one of the episodes and could not believe it . . . . . 1500 BREN owners with ZERO magazines and he had TWO

Probably urban legend and sadly, I cannot do better than to sheepishly say that I read it on a gun forum... but a guy who was a gun crank and lived in south Florida watched the crew film an episode and in one action scene, a Bren magazine was ditched in a flurry. Hours later after the whole crew was packed up and gone, the gun crank searched the area where he thought he'd seen that magazine fly and he found it!

Now YES, this tale holds no weight... unless someone else who recalls this and can search the vast annals of the internet to find a more detailed description of this event.

 

[colt_saa]

Probably urban legend and sadly, I cannot do better than to sheepishly say that I read it on a gun forum... but a guy who was a gun crank and lived in south Florida watched the crew film an episode and in one action scene, a Bren magazine was ditched in a flurry. Hours later after the whole crew was packed up and gone, the gun crank searched the area where he thought he'd seen that magazine fly and he found it!

Now YES, this tale holds no weight... unless someone else who recalls this and can search the vast annals of the internet to find a more detailed description of this event.

I had no idea that anybody had seen me that day . . .

 

[rosewood]

I scratched that itch with a Colt Delta Elite because I'm a 1911 freak. Then I got a box of Sig ammo to try it out and it bulged every case. Now I know about unsupported chambers.

There is a fix for that. Ain't cheap though. My brother bought a Auto Ordnance 10mm years ago. It would bulge brass and even had one blow out, so we didn't shoot hot stuff through it. Finally got a mill and cut the frame for a ramped barrel. Bought a clark/para ramped 10mm barrel and all is well now. Isn't a cheap fix and will likely devalue the Delta Elite, but if you want to keep it for life and shoot it, might be something to look into.

Unsupported on left, supported ramped on right.

Rosewood

 

[rosewood]

I have a 1076 and absolutely love the decocker myself. Had mine since maybe 2000 or so and only paid about $350 for it. My brother has the same one. Both of ours do not have the mag disconnect. A friend has the same gun with a mag disconnector.

My dad had a 1026, but unfortunately it was stolen. I would really like a 1006 since it is my birthday, but I put it off years ago when they could be had for around $500 and now they are out of my price range.

The decocker is better for carry since it doesn't have the slide safety sticking out.

I have a 4053 and 4013. Was planning on converting the 4013 to a 10mm, but so far hit has issues I can't work out. It is the only 3rd gen I have had that has ever not worked properly and I have like 8. The last round in 4 different mags will jump out of the gun instead of chambering. Tried stiffer slide spring and mag springs, still haven't been able to iron it out. Once I get it worked out, will most likely make it a 10mm.

Rosewood

 

[squidsix]

Sonny had three mags for that Bren. In one episode he does a bit of time at a Hogan's Alley type range and you can see him use mags from both pouches.
In a scene in the Everglades, his reload is with a partial mag (first time I ever saw anyone do that on TV) and puts one in his mouth to prevent dropping it.
I remember thinking: This is why shoulder holsters are impractical.
Of course when I was only a little older I went out and bought a shoulder rig like Sonny's.

 

[rosewood]

I carry my P16-10 in a shoulder holster during cold weather while hunting. Much easier to reach the gun there than on the hip. If not wearing an overcoat, I carry on my hip. But I also have 16 rounds, odds of needing a reload is slim to none in the hunting woods.

Rosewood

 

[10mmauto]

I currently have a S&W 1066. I've had the 1006, 1086, and 1076. Liked them all!

 

[The_Truth]

I'll echo the 3rd gen sentiment. I've owned 2 different 1076s, kept my VSP issued variant and traded the other one (a Chesterfield VA PD variant), and have since acquired a Massachusetts police agency issued 4053 which I had converted to 10mm by none other than the forum famous BMCM.

I've owned a G20, G29, 1076, XDM-10, P220-10, and 4053-10. Love them all, but the single stack 3rd gens are my favorite, with the 4053 being my favorite, believe it or not. Wish Sig made a commander sized P220-10. The 4053 is absolute perfection. Can't wait to acquire a 1086 to accompany it.

 

[stansdds]

Sonny's Bren Ten wasn't really a Bren Ten either.

His Bren X was in 45 ACP. Why? There were no 10mm blank cartridges available, but 45 ACP blanks were readily available, so the studio bought a pair of Bren X's chambered in 45 ACP.

 

[kraynky]

I can vouch for the 1076 as a very good sized single stack 10mm. It has enough weight to make it a great shooter, and sized small enough to carry. Mine is a KSP issued pistol.

 

[josywales]

Hmm. I don't see a Sig P220 without the rail. The cost of the Sig is pretty close to 1066s, but with factory support. That said, I've several 3rd Gen S&Ws, as well as some Sigs, so I'm caught trying to decide which makes more sense. Would love to try at least one, but there's zero chance of that happening.

 

[squidsix]

I just cant shoot sigs without riding the slide stop, so for me it wiuld have to be the 1000 series S&W

 

[Chubbs103]

At some point I would love to dip my toe into the 10mm water. The 3rd Gen S&Ws have always been my second choice. My first choice, if remotely practical, would have been a Bren Ten. They came out when I was particularly susceptible to what was in Guns and Ammo.

That said, I really the look of the Sigs. Buying new with factory support is very appealing.

Unfortunately, I have two realities that will likely impact my decisions. My eyes are aging, and the mix of 10mm and an optic will probably make the most sense. Glock 10mms are reasonably priced and are a click of the mouse away, already prepped from the factory for a red dot.

 

[josywales]

At some point I would love to dip my toe into the 10mm water. The 3rd Gen S&Ws have always been my second choice. My first choice, if remotely practical, would have been a Bren Ten. They came out when I was particularly susceptible to what was in Guns and Ammo.

That said, I really the look of the Sigs. Buying new with factory support is very appealing.

Unfortunately, I have two realities that will likely impact my decisions. My eyes are aging, and the mix of 10mm and an optic will probably make the most sense. Glock 10mms are reasonably priced and are a click of the mouse away, already prepped from the factory for a red dot.

Twins separated at birth. And, your point on the optics is also a consideration.

 

[mbliss57]

Hmm. I don't see a Sig P220 without the rail. The cost of the Sig is pretty close to 1066s, but with factory support. That said, I've several 3rd Gen S&Ws, as well as some Sigs, so I'm caught trying to decide which makes more sense. Would love to try at least one, but there's zero chance of that happening.

That Sig does have a rail in my post. (Almost all full size Sigs made in the USA are railed. I have owned all of the 10xxs series pistols a one time or another except the elusive 1046.They are all great guns. But I got that Sig almost new at $1000. It has customer support and is a fine all SS pistol. You can't buy a like new 10xx these days for under $1K. A few months ago I was hunting a 1006 or 1066 or a 1026 with box and docs. I couldn't touch them for $1K. So I bought a new Sig for less money.

 

[mbliss57]

I scratched that itch with a Colt Delta Elite because I'm a 1911 freak. Then I got a box of Sig ammo to try it out and it bulged every case. Now I know about unsupported chambers.... I've heard guys say that there's no truth to the supported/unsupported chamber thing but I was there and got the T shirt. It's still fun to shoot the Delta but I keep it under 1250fps.

I got the T shirt too. Delta Elite. I didn't just bulge the case I blew it out. That was a scary few milliseconds. I posted that on here many years ago. Maybe 2013. So it is true.

 

[drumnhands]

Have you thought about a revolver? I was poking around Smiths website last night and they have a 10mm revolver with 4" and 6" barrel. That would be fun. Will also shoot .40, so you can punch paper with milder loads when you want.

 

[MikeTS]

I have a 4.25" DAO m1086, and really like it. It has Trijicon night sights but is otherwise original. Steel framed, with the smoothest trigger pull I have experienced. It fits nicely into GI leather, and in a tanker shoulder-chest rig is my favorite whitetail deer gun.
I have fired my old patrol partner's m1076, but prefer my slightly shorter DAO model.
I once took a doe with mine at 57 paces.
It's a fine handgun.