Kid suspended for toy gun in (virtual) class

[delcrossv]

..... Why couldn't the teacher have just called the kid's parents and had a rational discussion about his/her concerns?

There's nothing more uncommon than common sense.

I'd hate to think what would happen if my kids went to public and the teachers saw their bedroom walls decorated with perforated B-27 targets.

 

[BC38]

Sorry. The baloney is all yours.

You're either intentionally cross-wiring my argument or you just don't understand it.

What my argument was quite simply, and correctly, equating, was the public nature of turning on your web cam to a virtual meeting, and opening your curtains; once you do that, you can't prevent people from seeing what they can see.

I understood your argument. You stated

Once it is being broadcast, of course anything can be reported to authorities, by anyone who sees it; it's no different from someone watching you through your living room window as you strangle somebody

My point is that the two situations are entirely different, but you made it sound as if you see them the same. Seeing a plastic gun in the background in a kid's room via web cam does not justify calling the police on a 12 year old kid - whereas seeing someone commit murder in front of their window obviously does.

What's more, trying to impose the school's ZERO BRAINS policy on a kid's bedroom is just as ridiculous as the other BS extremes to which they have taken their "zero tolerance" of firearms policy. Expelling kids for chewing a poptart into a gun shape, or for having a 1/2" long toy pistol for their GI Joe in their backpack. There are a lot more appropriate ways to respond than sending the cops to a kid's bedroom over one of his toys being in view during a school ZOOM session.

 

[dockmurgw]

Well, that's sort of become my mission around here:

Prevent this from turning into just another echo chamber of grumpy old farts who want to get worked up about things without letting reality or common sense get in the way too much

Too many other gun forums have gone down that rabbit hole beyond hope.

Well, at least you admit to the reason you wont just ignore threads you don't agree with, and push the right buttons until it gets locked. Now if someone else here will admit it.

 

[tomhenry]

Well, that's sort of become my mission around here:

You liberals are all alike, viz. you insist upon imposing your lunatic ideology upon civilization. We're fine. You're the problem.

Look around. Everything you people touch turns to (what typically gets flushed down a toilet except in the liberal world where it becomes a permanent part of the landscape).

That fact alone tells any reasonable person that you people are the problem.

Until liberals clean their own house (kalifornia, portland, seattle, denver, etc), don't presume to tell us .... anything.

 

[ladder13]

Well, that's sort of become my mission around here:

Prevent this from turning into just another echo chamber of grumpy old farts who want to get worked up about things without letting reality or common sense get in the way too much

Too many other gun forums have gone down that rabbit hole beyond hope.

Are you now a mod?

 

[GaryS]

Public schools spend more time indoctrinating than teaching. I say that as the husband of a retired teacher and the brother, uncle, cousin, brother in law of current and former teachers.

The older ones were happy to retire as they saw what the schools have become.

Besides an education, another thing schools should be trying to achieve is socialization – (the people to people thing, not Marxism lite) – and maybe a healthy curiosity and development of self esteem.
They blew all that out of the water in this instance. I don't think the power drunk, gun-fearing harpies and ogres that populate public school administrations and faculties have a clue about subtlety and nuance; it's all panic, screaming and hyper-reaction. Why couldn't the teacher have just called the kid's parents and had a rational discussion about his/her concerns?

 

[dockmurgw]

Mission accomplished, the right buttons have been pushed.

 

[pharmer]

This thread is comedy gold. Keeping with that, a couple years back a kid produced an "anti violence" display complete with spent 9mm casings glued in "for effect." After grading it was discarded in a trash receptacle in a high traffic area. Unfortunately, several casings fell off onto the ground, causing panic and terror among the adults. We got back to work much later in the day after the local jump squad did the "hut-hut tango" from one end of campus to the other declaring "threat eliminated." Joe

 

[DeathGrip]

This became a dogpile.

 

[saemetric]

Why didn't the school call the parent(s) and say don't let the kid have the toy gun on camera. 5 minute phone call would have solved it.

 

[Muss Muggins]

One of these guns is the "toy gun" in question. The other gun is a real firearm. That is my only contribution to this kerfuffle . . .

 

[Rule3]

Well, that's sort of become my mission around here:

Prevent this from turning into just another echo chamber of grumpy old farts who want to get worked up about things without letting reality or common sense get in the way too much

Too many other gun forums have gone down that rabbit hole beyond hope.

"Father of Peace"
Amen.

 

[G-Mac]

When Covid hit last March, I started working from home. My boss held two online Zoom staff meetings per week. About twelve participants. I was always careful to make sure that I had nothing in camera view that might "offend" anybody....or let people know what I owned, what my hobbies were, etc.

 

[dockmurgw]

One of these guns is the "toy gun" in question. The other gun is a real firearm. That is my only contribution to this kerfuffle . . .

Here's another one, some of the pics of the toy gun floating around appear to be altered, with the orange end cut off. According to the news report, the toy gun in question had the orange plug.

 

[Absalom]

Well, at least you admit to the reason you wont just ignore threads you don't agree with, .....

See, this is the problem, this odd idea that threads are there to be "agreed with". The very opposite of a discussion.

That's a big part of the problem in our country today. Nobody wants to discuss things anymore. Instead, people want the warm fuzzies of going in circles with folks who agree with them, confirming to each other how right they are.

The fact that people can get this uncomfortable with a different view over a situation as trivial as the one here doesn't bode well for trying to talk about serious stuff. Fortunately, forum rules prevent us from testing that

 

[Rule3]

See, this is the problem, this odd idea that threads are there to be "agreed with". The very opposite of a discussion.

That's a big part of the problem in our country today. Nobody wants to discuss things anymore. Instead, people want the warm fuzzies of going in circles with folks who agree with them, confirming to each other how right they are.

The fact that people can get this uncomfortable with a different view over a situation as trivial as the one here doesn't bode well for trying to talk about serious stuff. Fortunately, forum rules prevent us from testing that

Unfortunately that is the way online forums go. The Wolf Pack gets going.
You are right in that discussion is near impossible. But also, sometimes just sometimes it is how someone "posts" something that sets it off.

Much different then in person where you get infliction of voice, facial expressions etc.
On another forum one is doomed to endless quotes if what is written is not perceived as the author intended it. All down hill from there.,


Then it is just another Rabbit Hole!

 

[UncleEd]

Trouble with going down a rabbit hole is
you often find a snake.

 

[redlevel]

Does this apply? ;-))


SGitR
Acronym for the Smartest Guy in the Room, short for Smartest Guy in the Room Syndrome. The Smartest Guy in the Room has an above-average IQ and knows it; he or she grew up being the smart kid. A SGitR is smart enough to know that s/he's smarter than most people, but not quite smart enough to recognize when s/he encounters other people who are smarter. S/he defaults to the belief that because s/he is smarter than the majority of the population, s/he must be smarter than the people s/he's talking to. When a SGitR is in a room full of smart people, s/he'll continue talking down to and/or correcting them, happily oblivious to the fact that s/he's now in an environment in which s/he is not, in fact, the smartest guy in the room.

 

[GaryS]

This became a dogpile.

 

[DeathGrip]

Unfortunately that is the way online forums go. The Wolf Pack gets going.
You are right in that discussion is near impossible. But also, sometimes just sometimes it is how someone "posts" something that sets it off.

Much different then in person where you get infliction of voice, facial expressions etc.
On another forum one is doomed to endless quotes if what is written is not perceived as the author intended it. All down hill from there.,


Then it is just another Rabbit Hole!

It's just "trivial".

Adjectives are fun.