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What pre-existing health conditions did the brother have?

Beemerguy53 said:
Update to the above post: My lady friend called me today in tears, as I was driving home from work. The hospital called to tell her that her brother's condition is worsening steadily. Apparently, his lungs are so damaged by the virus that despite the oxygen being forced into them by the ventilator, his organs are failing. The doctors think he's already suffered irreversible brain damage, and they've asked her to come to the hospital to sign a Do Not Resuscitate order.

I tried to tell her that at least he got to say goodbye to her before they put him on the ventilator, and that he's at least not in any pain...but there's no comfort for her in that. This is her big brother, they are very close, and he is about to check out at age 62... :(

How anybody at this point can still fail to treat this illness seriously is a mystery to me... :(
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My friend's mom was vented 2 days ago. It's not looking good.

For those who don't understand the need for distancing, masks, or anything curtailing your G-d given rights, the purpose of these measures was not to eradicate the virus.

No meme will change that.

The slowing of transmission rates had the distinct purpose of attempting to not overwhelm our nationwide healthcare system. But for a few notable examples, it succeeded.

We have bought enough time to Warp Speed us into imminent vaccine distribution, in spite of those who would promulgate the idiotic idea that this was a hoax.

Now, with the local ED boarding, another local hospital on diversion, we are also on the cusp of being overwhelmed. Overwhelmed means NOBODY gets the care needed. Not the heart attacks, not the car crashes, not the strokes.

The science of Germ Theory is settled, has been for 150-plus years.
 
Warren Sear said:
^^^ I have never seen anybody with so many friends with COVID, as you seem to have. Ask them what they are doing to prevent it, and them post it here so we can all know what not to do.
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I'll resist the urge to take an equivalent poke at you, and simply point out that at no time have I written that I have any friends with Covid. I respectfully suggest you read the posts on here a little more carefully before leaping at the chance to make what you think is some sort of point.
 
Muss Muggins said:
I won't respond, because my question and my suspicions have been answered. I am sorry for your potential loss . . .
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There's nothing to have suspicions about. While having certain health conditions might make some people more vulnerable to this virus, that doesn't change the fact that it is the virus which kills them. And there have been enough healthy people who have succumbed to this that no one ought to scoff at it.
 
Stevens said:
Talk about doing stupid stuff! The local stations have been reporting- A few weeks ago some organization decided to hold their "Swingers Convention" in New Orleans. So far 41 cases of covid popped up amongst the attendees!
UNBELIEVABLE!
Steve W
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Is it really that unbelievable? I mean, after all, if somebody's so cavalier about his health and safety that he'll go to a swingers club, why would we expect him to be worried about catching a respiratory virus?
 
I'm in Oklahoma City and own a construction business and considered an essential worker and when everything was shut down I was still going all over the city managing construction projects and for at least the last 6 months or so, most everyone wears a mask. About the only places you don't see many masks are restaurants and bars and most restaurants have social distancing and require you to wear a mask when you enter or are walking around. Sadly the masks don't seem to be helping since our Covid numbers are going up rapidly and they are not much of an inconvenience so everyone should wear one but it's definitely not the cure that many think it is.
 
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The recent mask mandate here for restaurants is a farce. If you go to dinner with friends or neighbors you are supposed to wear a mask if you ride in the same car, something we always do. Ride in the same car that is.

OK, we could go in separate cars.

Now we get to the restaurant and we sit opposite one another and take our masks off, we haven't quite figured out how to eat with masks on.

People say follow the science. Where is the scientific proof that restaurants accelerate the spread of the virus?

Gyms also. The safest place outside my house is the gym I go to every day. It is safer than the supermarket, or box stores, yet there are no restrictions on those.
 
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ladder13 said:
...People say follow the science. Where is the scientific proof that restaurants accelerate the spread of the virus?...
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From the linked article below:

"Some really great shoe-leather epidemiology demonstrated clearly the effect of a single asymptomatic carrier in a restaurant environment (see below). The infected person (A1) sat at a table and had dinner with 9 friends. Dinner took about 1 to 1.5 hours. During this meal, the asymptomatic carrier released low-levels of virus into the air from their breathing. Airflow (from the restaurant's various airflow vents) was from right to left. Approximately 50% of the people at the infected person's table became sick over the next 7 days. 75% of the people on the adjacent downwind table became infected. And even 2 of the 7 people on the upwind table were infected (believed to happen by turbulent airflow). No one at tables E or F became infected, they were out of the main airflow from the air conditioner on the right to the exhaust fan on the left of the room."

The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them
 
Beemerguy53 said:
From the linked article below:

"Some really great shoe-leather epidemiology demonstrated clearly the effect of a single asymptomatic carrier in a restaurant environment (see below). The infected person (A1) sat at a table and had dinner with 9 friends. Dinner took about 1 to 1.5 hours. During this meal, the asymptomatic carrier released low-levels of virus into the air from their breathing. Airflow (from the restaurant's various airflow vents) was from right to left. Approximately 50% of the people at the infected person's table became sick over the next 7 days. 75% of the people on the adjacent downwind table became infected. And even 2 of the 7 people on the upwind table were infected (believed to happen by turbulent airflow). No one at tables E or F became infected, they were out of the main airflow from the air conditioner on the right to the exhaust fan on the left of the room."

The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them
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I go to restaurants, with friends, twice a week. The places we go to are clean and well maintained. I have no unwarranted fear.

As people so often say here, the science is constantly being updated.
 
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