Extremely Weird purchasing experience

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Is anyone here familiar with Berlusconi Firearms 201 American Way Monroe OH? I can't even begin to explain accurately the purchasing experience that I am still in the middle of and hoping turns out alright.
I was looking for a particular firearm that is no longer made and found their on line site. I sent a chat request which they answered saying that they did in fact have the pistol in stock at what appears to be a very good price and on sale to boot. So far so good!
Tried to call the sales number which is apparently taken down due to them being so busy with sales that the only way to contact them is by CHAT. No recording stating this however. They request that I place an order and that after doing so, they would contact me with additional information and ask for FFL shipping info etc.
Now is when it gets really weird. They tell me that I can not pay by credit card for some reason and that you are not able to use PayPal under goods and services because PayPal will not support firearms sales. You are required to use the friends and family option where I had to send the payment through a private person.
Finally got more than suspicious and sent them a message that I wanted to speak with a sales representative in person on the phone. I guy called me who sounded like he was from India and did not identify himself as being with Berlusconi. I ended up having about three phone calls with Mr. India who I could hardly understand. He was attempting to walk me through the process of making the friends and family PayPal payment.
After the third try, I did get this portion of the transaction completed and did receive two refunds to our account after doing it the wrong way. I sent them a heated message stating that I wanted to speak to an english speaking sales agent that I could understand. Guess who called me back again?
I have received what looks to be official correspondence from Berlusconi with an order and order number for the firearm. I sent them FFL delivery information a couple of times although they had not requested it yet. I also sent them a couple of messages asking if someone would contact me to let me know that the purchase was completed successfully. Just this morning, I received an e-mail requesting the order number which I have sent.
I almost canceled the order several times during the process since the experience just smelled of a scam!
They have a huge web page and appear to be a legitimate business but I have never experienced anything like this. Mr. India explained that due to the volume of calls coming in for firearms purchases, they took down the sales phone number because their representatives could not take time on the phone with individual customers and that is why you can only communicate by CHAT and e-mail.
 
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I called the number given on their website and got " the number you have dialed is incorrect ".

Read the "scam" comments on their page:
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Sarah and Ray live in Hamilton and Ruthie works in Mason (both about 15 minutes from Monroe). I will ask them (when they have time) to visit and have a look see. I know that may not help you at this moment but it might give insight for down the road.

 
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Also has connections to Hyatt Firearms. Interesting buying & shipping policy.

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It is stuff like this that makes the left want to shut down online gun sales. Also, further digging shows the "escrow" payment must be by Bitcoin.

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Actual Hyatt is a legit website. Hyattfirearms is not.
 
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Screams scam to me.

As you know, PayPal doesn’t allow firearms transactions and if they catch you violating the policy, they’ll ban you and lock your account. There’s no purchase protection with friends and family. I can’t imagine a legitimate dealer requiring that you misrepresent the payment method.

The FFL Finder site shows no Berlusconi Firearms in Monroe Ohio.

Do you have their FFL #?
 
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THIS IS A SCAM. I am as near to 100% certain as I can be. I looked at the address on Google Maps and several things set off my alarms:

1. There is no business name on the building or sign out front. The only sign is the one on the attached fence reading "Precise Forms, Inc.";
2. There are service trucks parked in their parking spaces, as if this is an office and warehouse space for Precise Forms. The placement of the fence confirms this, as does the overhead satellite image.
3. There is a gun shop further down the street called AIM Surplus, whom I have done business with before. Their phone number is 888-748-5252. Call them and ask - I would think they would know.
4. When they ask you to do a "Friends and Family" payment via PayPal, your purchase IS NOT COVERED by PayPal's warranty. You may not agree with PayPal's policy, but you have to wonder why this guy wants to get around it...

Just from the visuals I would vote "STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS".

Frankly, it is quite amazing that what I could find in only a few minutes is so commonplace these days. Not more than 40 years ago what I was able to access would have been considered an issue of national security!
 
Smells like a scam. Their website looks suspiciously like the one for guns.com. They even stole the logo.

Try to cancel your payment ASAP. I don't know if paypal will help considering their prohibition of gun payments, though.
 
Many references to the Berlusconi online market and their gun dealings are from foreign media, from Canada to India. My suspicion is that this is a Darknet operation which is trolling the surface web in the US because here, in contrast to most other countries, buying and selling guns is actually legal and not that difficult.
 
To the OP:
when you got to the checkout page, why did you even continue?
None of the payments offer you any protection.
Copy & past direct from the checkout page.


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This thread got my "super snooper" going.
Berlusconi Firearms is definitely not totally legit. As mentioned, no FFL listed.
Address given is for Precise Forms, Inc. as pointed out by another poster.
Address on Manta and other places is 225 American Way, Monroe, OH, which is the address of AIM Surplus.

One of the reviews I saw mentioned an altered FFL, AIM Surplus has their FFL available online, anybody connect the dots?

The HyattFirearms I previously mentioned is the Dark Web version of Berlusconi Firearms. Payment only by Bitcoin and ship to your house.
Same merchandise on both sights, links that go back and forth between the two, etc.

Another interesting thing I found on the HyattFirearms website, claiming to have received the Malcolm Baldrige National Quality Award 2 different years. Guess who actually did? Midway! a Missouri company.
Much of the website is copied from Hyatt Guns, Charlotte, NC, a legit company

Like my late Mother's saying, "Something rotten in Denmark"
 
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