Here's Why I Don't Favor Everyone Carrying
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I got what biku 234 was getting at.
Guys complain about idiots at the range, people with permits doing dumb stuff, people leaving the guns unsecured in some manner. etc etc. Mall Ninjas running around carrying their ARs in public, open carry etc. How can you complain (not favor) this behavior and attack the OP for what he favors. He did not call out for restrictions, laws or mandatory anything.
There are people that I certainly really do not "favor" the idea of carrying a gun.
I certainly "favor" the idea of everyone being better trained in gun safety and handling
I would "favor" everyone better understanding the laws and limits of their abilities.
None of these means that I support any kind of restrictions on a persons right to bear arms or that I want more gun laws. I just "favor" that fewer idiot carried guns.
I would be in FAVOR of mandatory gun safety classes in our schools. I would be in FAVOR of people education themselves and their families.
Guys complain about idiots at the range, people with permits doing dumb stuff, people leaving the guns unsecured in some manner. etc etc. Mall Ninjas running around carrying their ARs in public, open carry etc. How can you complain (not favor) this behavior and attack the OP for what he favors. He did not call out for restrictions, laws or mandatory anything.
There are people that I certainly really do not "favor" the idea of carrying a gun.
I certainly "favor" the idea of everyone being better trained in gun safety and handling
I would "favor" everyone better understanding the laws and limits of their abilities.
None of these means that I support any kind of restrictions on a persons right to bear arms or that I want more gun laws. I just "favor" that fewer idiot carried guns.
I would be in FAVOR of mandatory gun safety classes in our schools. I would be in FAVOR of people education themselves and their families.
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In today's world we ban drunks, dopers, and those with no insurance from operating a motor vehicle in most states, as well as felons. I gets back to, is privacy more important than the public good.
LTC...Training...proficiency....mindset.
A lamb confronted a wolf...the wolf won.
A lamb confronted a wolf...the wolf won.
"Sheriff Larry Smith said at a news conference Woolen (the assailant) was hospitalized Sunday afternoon with gunshot wounds to his hand, but that it's unclear when he was shot."
I was making the assumption the pastor was not mentally prepared for a fight. As a result, he was surprised and, in a struggle for the gun, overcome by an assailant a third his age. Things can go sideways in an instant.
That is often the case. The criminal has the initiative. He has to do something that reaches the threshold to use deadly force. That action has to be recognized and then reacted upon before the assailant complete his action.
AJ
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I do believe that apples and oranges have been introduced into a discussion about avocados!
In my opinion, the OP is questioning the ability of a person without the mindset to potentially take a life, and has mutated into one addressing both proficiency (skill) and judgment (when to use lethal force).
We can train a person so that they can improve their proficiency. We can attempt to indoctrinate a person so that they can make an informed decision on when to use lethal force. But short of combat, how do you "train" someone to alter their mindset? At what point does a person in fear of loss of life adopt the proper mindset?
Being totally facetious, do we require candidates seeking to carry concealed be trained to be Olympic grade marksmen, and then as the final exam require them to fire a course of fire in "Hogan's Alley" with the requirement that they take a life?
There are some things that can be instilled through training, but some things that can't be taught. Sometimes, you never know if a person has the mettle until the time comes!
In my opinion, the OP is questioning the ability of a person without the mindset to potentially take a life, and has mutated into one addressing both proficiency (skill) and judgment (when to use lethal force).
We can train a person so that they can improve their proficiency. We can attempt to indoctrinate a person so that they can make an informed decision on when to use lethal force. But short of combat, how do you "train" someone to alter their mindset? At what point does a person in fear of loss of life adopt the proper mindset?
Being totally facetious, do we require candidates seeking to carry concealed be trained to be Olympic grade marksmen, and then as the final exam require them to fire a course of fire in "Hogan's Alley" with the requirement that they take a life?
There are some things that can be instilled through training, but some things that can't be taught. Sometimes, you never know if a person has the mettle until the time comes!
Local speed limits, marriage licenses, drunk driving laws, etc etc are under the 10th A.
You either believe in the Constitution or you don't. Don't take the parts you want and discard the rest.
You either believe in the Constitution or you don't. Don't take the parts you want and discard the rest.
AJ
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Sir, you are just upset that when I wrote "My Hero" that you could not understand I was being facetious.
AJ
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Obviously! I do not like emoji's, so is there a rule I should use them?
You sir are wrong. Just because someone does not favor something does NOT mean they favor restrictions on it. I for one do not favor French dressing on my salad. I do not wish for any restrictions on French dressing. In other words,even though, I am not in favor of YOUR interpretation, I am not calling for it to be banned or restricted.
otis24
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I would favor not everyone being able to cast a vote. Perhaps they need to take a competency test showing that they understand the basics of the Constitution and the electoral process????
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Adding some new regulation, restriction, or mandatory training exercise to the acquisition of a license we should not require in the first place seems extra burdensome and no doubt ineffective.
Neither the constitution or any of the amendments guarantees anyone the right to vote.
15th prevents denying voting rights because of race creed or color
19th prevents denying vote based on sex
23rd allows vote by residents of Washington DC
26th establish voting age limit at 18
Nowhere does it say everyone gets to vote
You can be denied as a felon, why not because your dumb or have a misdemeanor?
But, then the 2nd prevents the government from infringing on your right to keep and BEAR arms and you lose that if you have a misdemeanor domestic assault. How is a permit not an infringement. I believe you should not need a permit to carry a fully automatic weapons. I am not in favor of everyone doing so however.
15th prevents denying voting rights because of race creed or color
19th prevents denying vote based on sex
23rd allows vote by residents of Washington DC
26th establish voting age limit at 18
Nowhere does it say everyone gets to vote
You can be denied as a felon, why not because your dumb or have a misdemeanor?
But, then the 2nd prevents the government from infringing on your right to keep and BEAR arms and you lose that if you have a misdemeanor domestic assault. How is a permit not an infringement. I believe you should not need a permit to carry a fully automatic weapons. I am not in favor of everyone doing so however.
Hair Trigger
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I quoted a portion of your post mainly because it went along with my own thoughts about how I feel that although we are all able to buy, carry and use a gun through our 2A rights, but don't particularly think everyone should exercise the right.
I favor less government intrusion.
I also favor my mother.
I also favor my mother.
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