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^^^Yes! What they said!
Here's Why I Don't Favor Everyone Carrying
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double-dipper
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I agree with that, If one draws their firearm in self-defense of themselves or others (imminent danger) they had better have the guts to pull the trigger! or don't carry at all. The good pastor armed a thug who went on to cause more harm.biku324 [QUOTE said:
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The good pastor made a serious mistake. Yet, I still believe he had every right in the world to have and carry a gun. Good intentions and doing what you believe is right isn't always going to work out even if it is legal. Thats a fact of life. May he Rest in Peace having gone out believing he was "doing the right thing"
Oh, and all the training and education in the world will not fix stop all the problems. There are lots of educated idiots and I would not expect gun training to have a different result.
Almost every one who hunts at this point has had to pass a Hunters Education Class. There is still an abundance of unsafe, idiot and or unethical hunters.
Oh, and all the training and education in the world will not fix stop all the problems. There are lots of educated idiots and I would not expect gun training to have a different result.
Almost every one who hunts at this point has had to pass a Hunters Education Class. There is still an abundance of unsafe, idiot and or unethical hunters.
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transit
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You didn't explain why. You cited a story where a good guy lost a fight.
Do you have facts that he refused to fire when he should have?
Do you have facts that he failed in some other way?
Or does the fact that he lost the fight and was shot with his own weapon the only reason that he doesn't gain the privilege of you "favoring" him exercising his rights?
If you have facts, I'd love to hear them. De-briefing incidents is always helpful.
transit
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fredj338
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It is true, most that carry arent skilled nor have they mentally prepared for a potential shooting. Why we train, practice repeat.
fredj338
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I really do think that sums it up.
Besides, there is a reason that "brandishing" a firearm is a crime in most places. It scares the kiddies and can get the "brandisher" killed.
I have to quote Tuco every time:
If you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
Very much like a knife fight. You have to go into it understanding you WILL get cut. Without that, you will surely lose.
Drawing your pistol and hoping the other won't shoot is NOT a winning strategy.
mistermills357
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I personally will shoot to kill, that is an abrupt way to put it, but I will bust a cap in an attacker.
Runs With Gun
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I read about this preacher getting killed and immediately thought "he wasn't ready to use it and the bad guy could tell."
Massad Ayoob wrote about that in one or the other of the two books of his I have.
Several years ago in a local store parking lot a preacher came upon a man strangling his estranged lover. He drew and fired a warning shot into the air. The attacker then tackled the preacher and I'm not sure what happened next. Anyway the attacker was arrested and the preacher was hailed as a hero but he's very lucky he wasn't murdered, along with the x-lover, and whoever else with his own gun.
About a year ago a deranged man assaulted me in a place I could not escape from (high porch). Had I first drawn my firearm he would have forced me to shoot. I have no doubt of that. Fortunately for the both of us I have carried pepper spray as part of the daily loadout since 2012 and deployed it first.
Had drawn then, I'd have been forced to fire. It's that simple.
Fortunately, I had put some degree of thought into such situations and was prepared for it. I had read on another forum about that sort of reaction "JUST SHOOT ME!" and I planned ahead.
I did end up drawing, as the pepper spray was slow to act, but once it kicked in and the attacker began his retreat, I reholstered. That sequence of events made a very good impression on responding police, who I called once I got to a safe location.
One even complimented me on the 638 saying he "carried that for backup."
Massad Ayoob wrote about that in one or the other of the two books of his I have.
Several years ago in a local store parking lot a preacher came upon a man strangling his estranged lover. He drew and fired a warning shot into the air. The attacker then tackled the preacher and I'm not sure what happened next. Anyway the attacker was arrested and the preacher was hailed as a hero but he's very lucky he wasn't murdered, along with the x-lover, and whoever else with his own gun.
About a year ago a deranged man assaulted me in a place I could not escape from (high porch). Had I first drawn my firearm he would have forced me to shoot. I have no doubt of that. Fortunately for the both of us I have carried pepper spray as part of the daily loadout since 2012 and deployed it first.
Had drawn then, I'd have been forced to fire. It's that simple.
Fortunately, I had put some degree of thought into such situations and was prepared for it. I had read on another forum about that sort of reaction "JUST SHOOT ME!" and I planned ahead.
I did end up drawing, as the pepper spray was slow to act, but once it kicked in and the attacker began his retreat, I reholstered. That sequence of events made a very good impression on responding police, who I called once I got to a safe location.
One even complimented me on the 638 saying he "carried that for backup."
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YkcorCal
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I learned many many years ago (and was taught) you NEVER pull a gun unless you are Prepared to USE IT! That decision HAS to be made BEFORE you even start to carry a gun as otherwise you are putting not only your life but those around you in danger. I'm 71 years old now and faced that choice in real life, so before you carry a gun make sure YOU can use it on a fellow human being BEFORE the situation arises! Think long, hard, soul search, do what ever you have to do but make up make up your mind beforehand NOT when you are in a life and death situation! I can still hear the first time I heard the sonic crack of bullets passing by me right before my platoon Sgt. tackled me telling me "you dumb Lt. they are shooting at you." I was 21 and I will carry that memory to my grave. I was standing there green as grass trying to figure out what that weird sound was as the bullets were breaking the sound barrier around me before the rifle reports reached us. Killing another human being is not a video game and what bullets do to human flesh you will never forget. Make up your mind before a situation confronts you!
Later back in the states two men late at night tried to rob me threatening to kill me. Wrong move.
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OP
I actually thought there had been a wooden stake driven through the heart of this zombie thread...
AJ
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Probably should have been!
33 days old is the new standard for a zombie thread?
It is if you disagree with the consensus . . .
33 days old is the new standard for a zombie thread?
When I start a post that I wish to get out of, I want it to go away also.
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AJ
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Maybe ask the moderators to take it down since it is continuing to haunt us.
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