Got Rimfire?
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HorizontalMike
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I happen to have approx 50M(Roman numerals) in 525 and 550 brixks. and 4 1600 round boxes Federal that I bought on Black Friday weekend . Also got a couple of those Remington buckets...and I have a cardboard box down in the vault with boxes of mini-mags Stingers velocitors etc etc. I even have 2 or 3 quart freezer bags of 22 LR shot rounds some one gave me, That someone also gave me a trashed box of 22 Short shot rounds. I didn't even know they made them. I even have about 4 of the wooden boxes of Winchester 22s...and brick of the No lead Winchester(Bullets were 26?) gr tin. I recently sold a fellow fifteen thousand for 8 cents a round. All of a sudden 22 ammo has dried up completely in our area of Wyoming/Montana.
Edited to add I bought a bunch of ammo when K Mart quit selling ammo many years ago. I still have a case of Remington 20 ga RXP skeet loads and a case of Remington 28 ga plastic skeet loads I bought at the time,,,buck a box. I also have one box of some S&W-Fiocchi 12 ga. I also got a case of 'em for a buck a box. Sold most to some dove hunters. Retail(K-Mart) was 1.86 a box so this must have been early 80's
Edited to add I bought a bunch of ammo when K Mart quit selling ammo many years ago. I still have a case of Remington 20 ga RXP skeet loads and a case of Remington 28 ga plastic skeet loads I bought at the time,,,buck a box. I also have one box of some S&W-Fiocchi 12 ga. I also got a case of 'em for a buck a box. Sold most to some dove hunters. Retail(K-Mart) was 1.86 a box so this must have been early 80's
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Yes; I do.
The ammo makers had nothing to do with this. It is the people that are willing to pay $130 for 500 rounds that are the problem.
I agree, I went out with my boy, daughter 3 sons in law and wife and shot 250 round though my new 43c(that I think is my wife's now) and my bearcat
Qc Pistolero
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I went through the same exercise a couple weeks ago and was shocked at the total.I was expecting 2-3K but found out I have way over 10K.
I guess I won't buy any for the next couple of years so as to let other shooters a chance to grab some.
I guess I won't buy any for the next couple of years so as to let other shooters a chance to grab some.
The ammo manufacturers aren't the problem but if you believe that and have the proof, why don't you file the lawsuit.
I have enough .22 LR that I don't know how much I have...
When we had the last 22 ammo shortage I saw a "lady" pay 90 dollars per 500 for Remington TBs at an auction. And she bought all they had/... 10,000 and said I have enough for my grandsons to shoot for a while. I honestly think she thought she had made a real score. It is thinking such as that which drives these prices even now. I had some 9mms(3000) I had bought for just less than 8 dollars a box. I told a fellow I didn't want to sell any but he just had to have them and offered me 40 a box...I sold him 20 boxes. It boils down to he didn't care about the money. He just wanted the ammo. And didn't want to go look for them cheaper. I truly do not understand their reasoning. The 22s I have accumulated now were all bought a brick here and one there...generally at very good prices(as little as 2 1/2 cents each to as much as 4 1/2 cents over the course of the last 4 years...many at Wally World as they were as cheap as anyone. . the 1600 round boxes cost 3 1/2 cents a round. I didn't hoard or grab 'em all on the shelf and didn't quite realize how many I had. Anyone can probably afford 15-20 bucks once every two or three weeks. But you have to want to buy 'em...Remember going forward after this "shortage" if it does end.
Tytan01
Member
I beg to differ.
If ammo makers didn't hold back production, the nation wouldn't be out of ammo.
Every single handgun round is sold out and has been sold out for almost a year. I seriously doubt "7 million new shooters" all bought every single box of ammo for every single type of gun. I can see a 9mm or 380 shortage as those are the mass majority of calibers new gun buyers would of purchased but 22lr there is no excuse for a shortage of.
Makers have been cranking that round out by the millions per month for the better part of 100 years. There's no reason to be out of 22lr in the United States unless the ammo makers all decided together to purposely cut production of it.
And given that numerous companies have come out in the latter half of 2020 and the start of 2021 admitting they purposely cut inventory of certain products in certain areas to prevent public access during " a summer of tensions "...I have no doubt ammo makers will eventually admit they were part of it too.
Tytan01
Conspiracy theories abound...but as you say..I beg to differ. It isn't the extra 7 million who created ALL the shortage. This has happened before you know? It is the umpteen million regular shooters who saw all the stuff with the Covid and the election brewing that decided to buy what they could while they could...and don't forget...there is one less ammo company making ammo domestically. With Remington mostly gone there IS less ammo in the pipeline. That was not purposely driven by the manufacturer. I used to shoot a lot of Remington ammo primers wads and bullets(I had a few ties with the company years ago). I am lucky to have about 10,000 Remington 209 primers...my favorites. . Eventually the hysteria will die out over a period of time if the political climate doesn't affect things. Then those who didn't have the foresight to stock up such as the guy I sold 9mm ammo or those who pay a lot too much for 22s will all pretty much forget all about it... AGAIN. Blame your self...not the ammo companies. Not dissing you..just making a point. Cheap ammo was available last year and the one or two previously
Conspiracy theories abound...but as you say..I beg to differ. It isn't the extra 7 million who created ALL the shortage. This has happened before you know? It is the umpteen million regular shooters who saw all the stuff with the Covid and the election brewing that decided to buy what they could while they could...and don't forget...there is one less ammo company making ammo domestically. With Remington mostly gone there IS less ammo in the pipeline. That was not purposely driven by the manufacturer. I used to shoot a lot of Remington ammo primers wads and bullets(I had a few ties with the company years ago). I am lucky to have about 10,000 Remington 209 primers...my favorites. . Eventually the hysteria will die out over a period of time if the political climate doesn't affect things. Then those who didn't have the foresight to stock up such as the guy I sold 9mm ammo or those who pay a lot too much for 22s will all pretty much forget all about it... AGAIN. Blame your self...not the ammo companies. Not dissing you..just making a point. Cheap ammo was available last year and the one or two previously
Bumpus13
Member
Wrong.
This is just another panic cycle. Every so often the "Chicken Littles" among our community who failed to prepare ahead of time freak out when something happens (election, mass shooting ... etc) and start clearing out the shelves. Then people start seeing stores that are empty in certain calibers, and they panic and start buying armloads of other calibers. Before long, this behavior gathers momentum like a boulder rolling down a mountainside and we end up where we are now.
This behavior has only increased with the internet immersing us in tales from all over about empty shelves, so we in turn buy out everything local to us.
Then you get the serious panic buyers who max out credit cards buying multiple cases of damn near everything because they believe the **** they're reading on the internet about "This is it! There isn't going to be anymore available again!"
Combine that with the opportunists who swoop in to stores every day at opening to buy up everything in sight so they can resell it online or at shows to the gullible people who believe they have to have it at any price.
You get what is happening now. Again. Like it will again at some point after this scene passes and we return to normal pricing/availability.
The sad part is that most people will learn nothing from this once again, and we'll be fated to repeat this over and over again.
Meanwhile, those of us that have been through more than a couple of these cycles have learned to keep a stockpile so these periods of panic don't affect us. At all.
Hell, I might even unload some of my pile at these crazy prices. Collect my unexpected profits (I didn't buy it to sell) from lead and turn it into gold/silver. Then when the panic buyers run out of money/credit/storage & the ammo situation returns to sane levels, I'll simply rebuy what I sold.
If you're smart, you'll grab a seat and wait it out. Then just be prepared for next time.
Tytan01
Member
Not sure why everyone here insists on ignoring the public statements being put out almost weekly by companies such as Walmart, Johnson & Johnson and others who have admitted they purposely withheld access to certain of their items in certain areas for 2020.
Why people keep insisting the 2020 ammo shortage is "just like every other shortage and you're just an idiot because you didn't spend 40 yrs stock piling" is a mystery to me because it's NOT been like every other shortage.
A normal shortage lasts a couple of months. Not an entire year.
Covid is not the reason because ammo and gun manufactures were given essential business status and were not hampered by the shut down orders.
A monkey can stand at a machine and push empty casings in to a hopper so it's not "we had to train new people to replace all the dead ones" excuse. It takes 3 days to "train" someone with even a 50 IQ to do basic production tasks. It's not a months long process. Days. A week at MOST.
Ammo manufactures purposely cut production and they will eventually admit to it or a disgruntled worker will eventually confirm it as "payback" for getting fired or something. It's why Walmart finally admitted to it because a corporate manager blabbed about their decision and Walmart had to do damage control.
Why people keep insisting the 2020 ammo shortage is "just like every other shortage and you're just an idiot because you didn't spend 40 yrs stock piling" is a mystery to me because it's NOT been like every other shortage.
A normal shortage lasts a couple of months. Not an entire year.
Covid is not the reason because ammo and gun manufactures were given essential business status and were not hampered by the shut down orders.
A monkey can stand at a machine and push empty casings in to a hopper so it's not "we had to train new people to replace all the dead ones" excuse. It takes 3 days to "train" someone with even a 50 IQ to do basic production tasks. It's not a months long process. Days. A week at MOST.
Ammo manufactures purposely cut production and they will eventually admit to it or a disgruntled worker will eventually confirm it as "payback" for getting fired or something. It's why Walmart finally admitted to it because a corporate manager blabbed about their decision and Walmart had to do damage control.
AJ
US Veteran
Could this have something to do with the lack of stock on shelves? Gun sales boomed in 2020, with background checks hitting record highs as millions of people bought guns for the first time
smoothshooter
Member
You guys showing and bragging about how much ammo you have on a public forum may wish you hadn't someday.
Guys, no BS here . I know a guy that has 1 million rounds of rimfire ammo stashed away . Yes I said 1 million. And that's just the rimfire stash, not counting what he has in centerfire ammo .
And the sad thing is he really is just a casual shooter . Yes he's a hoarder. He's been doing this for close to 40 years .
I feel like telling his wife to call me first the day he kicks the bucket .
And the sad thing is he really is just a casual shooter . Yes he's a hoarder. He's been doing this for close to 40 years .
I feel like telling his wife to call me first the day he kicks the bucket .
NJM15
Member
I have about ---
Probably around 6000 rds various brands and types in including two 1400 round Remington buckets, cci minis and stingers. After that .22 shortage a few years ago i said im not going to get caught without any again , looks like i was right
Probably around 6000 rds various brands and types in including two 1400 round Remington buckets, cci minis and stingers. After that .22 shortage a few years ago i said im not going to get caught without any again , looks like i was right
IAhunter
Member
Our WalMart had the Meat Eater 300 packs of MiniMags for $21.97 recently. Limit was two, so I bought two. Constantly searching.......
You are incorrect but I will not bother to convince you otherwise. Suffice to say I work at a range in MN and we have a number of Federal employees that shoot at our facility. They are running two 12 hour shifts 24/7 and this is just one brand of their product lineup. Millions of rounds of 22lr are created daily out of this one plant alone.
BTW, last Sat. at the Federal company store they had buckets of Champion 1375 rds at $104.99. Instore sales only. Yes, they run out quickly but all products show up on a regular basis.
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Two weeks ago my Scheels sold 800rds bulk for $49.
No need to sue the people that are making products that are the required equipment necessary for your hobby.
If and when this goes away, hopefully, lesson learned and an extra 10,000 rounds will get you over a hump in the supply chain.
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