M&P 2.0 Cracked Frame

Status
Not open for further replies.
I'm going with this is a drive by.

Also if CCI did somehow make a round that was overpowered, a lot of companies don't cover that type of damage. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a big name ammo manuf. detonated a gun with a bad batch of ammo.
 
Last edited:
You are correct. I bought the gun used. That's why I offered to pay for the frame replacement.

Well, there you go, Walther's Warranty only covers the original buyer, so it really wasn't eligible for repair/replacement under warranty, and they don't sell frames separately either, so you can't fault Walther for their refusal to do so.
Furthermore, very few firearms manufacturers would have repaired/replaced the frame under the same circumstances, so isn't Walther in particular refusing to provide an otherwise common service.

Smith & Wesson is somewhat unique in the way that they'll often deviate from the terms of their Warranty by coving used firearms, but then again, they're not really consistent as they'll typically refuse if they're expressly informed that the firearm was purchased used, so it's really more that they neglect to ask whether or not someone who contacts them regarding warranty is the original owner of the firearm.

In fact, this is why I generally avoid purchasing used firearms unless they're extremely cheap or otherwise long out of production anyway, because you really cannot be entirely sure what the original owner subjected it to, ergo your Walther PPQ's frame may have cracked because the original owner (Let's call him Bubba...) bought a "Bag O Bullets" online filled with mixed +P+ loads and thusly overstressed the frame with ammo it wasn't rated for causing premature failure of the frame.
 
Now THIS is a cracked frame! 230gr, Winchester white box. No injuries. Smith replaced the gun and Winchester replaced the lot of ammo.

mp.jpg
 
Definitely a strange occurrence because it does indeed tell a different story than the warranty would suggest.

In fact you shouldn't have needed to pay for it as it's covered under the warranty, if you're the original owner or not.

LEGENDARY LIFETIME WARRANTY – www.waltherarms.com


Rastoff, this is why I will bash Walther USA whenever I can over this. If S&W was still the distributor for Walther when this happened then S&W would have replaced the frame for me.

Thankfully Earl's Repair Service came through for me so I could replace the frame and get Walther out of my life. They lost me as a customer for life.
 
Well, there you go, Walther's Warranty only covers the original buyer, so it really wasn't eligible for repair/replacement under warranty, and they don't sell frames separately either, so you can't fault Walther for their refusal to do so.
Furthermore, very few firearms manufacturers would have repaired/replaced the frame under the same circumstances, so isn't Walther in particular refusing to provide an otherwise common service.

Smith & Wesson is somewhat unique in the way that they'll often deviate from the terms of their Warranty by coving used firearms, but then again, they're not really consistent as they'll typically refuse if they're expressly informed that the firearm was purchased used, so it's really more that they neglect to ask whether or not someone who contacts them regarding warranty is the original owner of the firearm.

In fact, this is why I generally avoid purchasing used firearms unless they're extremely cheap or otherwise long out of production anyway, because you really cannot be entirely sure what the original owner subjected it to, ergo your Walther PPQ's frame may have cracked because the original owner (Let's call him Bubba...) bought a "Bag O Bullets" online filled with mixed +P+ loads and thusly overstressed the frame with ammo it wasn't rated for causing premature failure of the frame.

That's nonsense. I have been buying guns for more than 34 years. I have NEVER had a manufacturer refuse to fix a gun whether I bought it new or used. As a matter of fact most will cover used guns expressly due to liability purposes. They don't want a potential lawsuit if a gun causes injury. As a matter of fact Walther screwed up big time by telling me not to send it in for evaluation. Because then they could have said it's unrepairable and the frame cannot be replaced but they cannot send the gun back to me because it isn't safe. That is exactly why manufacturers ask you to send the gun back no matter how small the problem is.

S&W and Glock replace frames all the time. As a matter of fact Glock has a whole discounted price list for people that want to change frames and sights and anything else you want.
 
Last edited:
A little surprised to see the .45 M & P but excessive pressures can cause these failures. I've read posts here and watch You Tube vids with claims of thousands of rounds (10k-20K) through their M & P's without a rebuild of the frame or parts. If you been in the firearms industry for ay length of time not every firearm is perfect while as it seems S & W lifetime warranty now seems "limited". S & W did extend the chassis on 2.0's so maybe their was a problem but not wide spread ?

Sig having issues with the 320 fire control, a few out of court settlements with L.E.'s discharging in their holsters injuring them. Now the Canadian military has boxed up their new 320's after holster discharges. So it seems SIG trying to keep these cases under the radar with the 320. So not every gun perfect but not resolving a safety issue does not send the right message to end users.
 
Well, there you go, Walther's Warranty only covers the original buyer, so it really wasn't eligible for repair/replacement under warranty, and they don't sell frames separately either, so you can't fault Walther for their refusal to do so.
See the link I posted in post #40. Walther's warranty is on the gun, not the owner. It clearly states that it doesn't matter if you're the original owner or not.

Why I'm holding off on buying a used 1.0 version.
The gun in that pic looks like it suffered from an over pressured round. Don't let this one pic stop you from buying a great gun. I have about 5K rounds through my M&P guns without issue.
 
See the link I posted in post #40. Walther's warranty is on the gun, not the owner. It clearly states that it doesn't matter if you're the original owner or not.

The gun in that pic looks like it suffered from an over pressured round. Don't let this one pic stop you from buying a great gun. I have about 5K rounds through my M&P guns without issue.

Thank you, I'll reconsider.
 
See the link I posted in post #40. Walther's warranty is on the gun, not the owner. It clearly states that it doesn't matter if you're the original owner or not.

In that case, presspics really ought to contact Walther and press the issue because they're not honoring their Warranty.
 
I would call again , it seems odd they would not make this right , I just can`t believe they would not say send it back for a look . call again . Y will get the right person .
 
I am not concerned with the longevity of a M & P 1.0 or a 2.0. I've put maybe 5,000 through my 1.0 9mm with no issues. My son's PD ran 1.0 M & P's for about 10 years then traded in and bought another batch. They've not had issues with them.

Back to the OP's issue. He says 100 rounds into a new 2.0 it failed. Any maker can get a piece of material with an occulison or other flaw. Any ammo maker can crank out a defective excess pressure round.
 
Now THIS is a cracked frame! 230gr, Winchester white box. No injuries. Smith replaced the gun and Winchester replaced the lot of ammo.

mp.jpg
Does anybody have any information on how prevalent this may be with Winchester white box ammo? I bought a pile of it in 45acp and would very much prefer not to have my pistol blow up in my hand.
 
Does anybody have any information on how prevalent this may be with Winchester white box ammo? I bought a pile of it in 45acp and would very much prefer not to have my pistol blow up in my hand.

I have two 45 acp pistols, an FNX-45 Tactical and a Shield, with 15,000 rounds combined. I've shot a lot of Winchester Service Grade rounds though them, which is a more powerful round than White Box. But I've also shot a fair amount of White Box. I've never had any problems with either Winchester round. As growr, above, advised, go ahead and shoot it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top