1911s and derivatives.

Camp 45's are very much like handling a M-1 Carbine. But far more accurate. When my eyes were younger, open sight 7 shot groups were 2 to 3 inches at 50 yards with military ball. They and their 9mm brothers (S&W M69 mags) are very easy to put optics or reflex sights on. I never did that, but super easy! (almost all Marlins use the same scope base) and these come drilled and tapped.

Ivan

Ivan
 
I love 1911's, but due to weight, limited capacity (in .45), and the fact I don't shoot them all that well, I rarely carry one. I'm down to 5 fullsize & a 9mm Staccato.
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Camp 45's are very much like handling a M-1 Carbine. But far more accurate. When my eyes were younger, open sight 7 shot groups were 2 to 3 inches at 50 yards with military ball. They and their 9mm brothers (S&W M69 mags) are very easy to put optics or reflex sights on. I never did that, but super easy! (almost all Marlins use the same scope base) and these come drilled and tapped.

Ivan

Ivan

Ivan,

You must have had a bad M-1 Carbine. My M-1 shoots about a 1" group at 50 yards. At 100 yards it is about 1.5". The qualification course for the M-1 in the Marines was out to 300 yards. Also with the M-1 you have 15 and 30 round magazines. Think I would take a M-1 if I needed a light rifle.

AJ
 
I used to be on the 1911forum alot, but I like it here.

Same here. I had over 7,000 posts there. But I got sick of the bullying by the mods. I understood their bit about running a tight ship; I was okay with that. What drove me off was their participation in a thread, making a comment, then CLOSING THE THREAD, preventing responses to their comments. It was creepy.
 
LOL, I'm a revolver guy, but...

Started with a Colt 1991A1, then acquired a Para LDA C6, then a Kimber RCP, good deal on an upgraded (grips, sights, springs) Kimber Pro Carry II, then a stock Pro Carry II, then found a Norinco. Oh and I forgot my Sig P220.

For me, a 1911 and a couple of spare magazines exudes confidence for those up armed days. Like my Pro Carry II the best for carry.

I looked at a Pro Carry II in .38 Super over 10 years ago. Liked it a lot. But it was heavy, and the recoil spring was so heavy I struggled racking it. So I got a Colt Lightweight Commander.

Quite happy with the Colt, but I sometimes think about that Kimber. With some number of 1911s - 7? 8? - I have room for another.
 
The only 1911 derivative I own is this...

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It's a Romanian Tokarev TTC, basically a hybrid between the FN 1903 and Colt M1911, chambered in 7.62x25 Tokarev.

However, I did pick up this fancy Ruger SR1911 NRA Edition for my brother.

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Wait ...I don't see any AMT's ... the very first stainless 1911, Hardballer & Long Slide + others and home to the cool 30 Carbine 1911, AMT AutoMag III ...
Come on Man !
Gary

There is a reason for that. They used the same stainless alloy as the Randall 1911s but it was not heat treated the same way and had issues with galling. Randall paid them homage however in their tag line:

“The only stainless steel fit for duty.”
 
My first 1911 was an AMT ss gun. Colt didn’t make ss 1911s then. Never had any trouble with it. Sold it to a coworker. I wish I had bought the Terminator version. I wouldn’t have sold that one. ‘I’ll be bach.’
 
Never have had a soft spot for Kimber's. Way over priced in my estimation. I much prefer the original Series 70 and earlier Colts.

AJ

I think Kimbers are overpriced as well, which is why I don’t pay anything close to retail for them. I bought my Ultra Carry NIB from the original purchaser who’d spent too much time on the internet being warned about short barrel 1911s and lost confidence in it before ever shooting it. I paid about 65% of MSRP. My CDP II sat on the dealer’s shelf for over 9 years, so it had a price based on a 9 year old MSRP, and he’d knocked $80 off that. Both my Micro and Micro 9 were bought at least $200 under MSRP from a dealer who his made money on volume. Probably to avoid having Kimbers sit on the shelf for the better part of a decade.

I also like 70 series and pre 70 series Colts. It’s equally accurate to say I despise the 80 series firing pin safety tied to the trigger. I don’t mind the Schwartz system at all.
 
Ivan,

You must have had a bad M-1 Carbine. My M-1 shoots about a 1" group at 50 yards. At 100 yards it is about 1.5". The qualification course for the M-1 in the Marines was out to 300 yards. Also with the M-1 you have 15 and 30 round magazines. Think I would take a M-1 if I needed a light rifle.

AJ

Agreed. I shot and placed second in my first light rifle tactical match using an M-1 carbine. The winner was the match organizer with an HK-93. All the AR-15 owners went home unhappy.

The course of fire went out to 250 yards and the M-1 carbine did fine on torso sized targets at that range.
 
If they're reasonably accurate, I think you're making a good point, but I've never owned or fired one. Looks like you'd get another 200 fps over a handgun.

Actually, you don't. In fact, with most factory loads, you start to lose velocity when barrel lengths get up around 11-14 inches. The .45ACP is a pretty efficient cartridge and works well in the barrel lengths it was designed for. I was amazed when I shot my Camp carbine over the chrono and found the velocities were lower than than they were out of my Gov't model.
 
Kimber brings out some real love/hate in people. The company is not always a great partner when it comes to supporting their products. Until they get better I'll pass on the Yonkers gats.
 
I love them too. I built his Commander as a "retirement" carry gun. I carried a full sized Gov't model for over 40 years. They do get a wee bit heavy but good holster really helps. I love C.Rusty Sherrick's stuff. He makes them out of horse hide and they last a long time.
 

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I have a long term buying problem with 1911s - can't stop. Here are two of the slightly non-standard types -

I bought this Detonics about 1979 and have kept it since. This is the earlier version showing the chopped down & sleeved 2 piece Colt barrel. I also have their MkVI version, doesn't quite have the same history as this old MkI - been through a few liquor store robberies and fights.

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I picked up this Caspian framed version last year. It carries the Detonics height grip frame and a 3" bbl. No idea who did the work but it's top notch. Great trigger, positive thumb safety and the grip safety works too. Stainless all around.

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Height on each is 4 1/4", which doesn't seem like much but it sure seems so when compared to Officers Model pistols. I wish someone would make a 3" barrel, Detonics height on an alloy frame, would buy one in a heartbeat.
 
For a 1911 carry gun, it's hard to beat a Sig C3. Commander slide with officers grip, 45 ACP.
 
I wish someone would make a 3" barrel, Detonics height on an alloy frame, would buy one in a heartbeat.

Not sure about the height, but the Colt Defender has a 3" barrel and an alloy frame.
 
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