Forgotten in this mess, Walmart stopped carrying most calibers

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Here's something I thought about today; Walmart quit carrying pistol and most "fun" calibers.

It's funny, we rant about prices, and we have always ranted about Walmart driving other businesses under with their prices. The lowest 9mm I've purchased in over a year has been Norma brass for $300 a case. A quick search online shows you'd have trouble finding Tula steel for that price.

How much do you want to bet, if Walmart had stayed in the game, prices would be a good bit lower right now?
 
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Could be scooby! One near me down to rimfire and shotgun ammo if you get there at the right time.
 
The questions here to me are whether Walmart buying less ammo means the manufacturers are cutting back on production, or charging more for smaller quantity buys. I would guess no to the first question is "no" and to the second "maybe".
 
I don't know, but sure wish my local WallyWorld still carried ammo. Once that Walmart CEO announced they would stop carrying the nasty handgun caliber and black rifle ammunition, it disappeared from the local WM almost overnight. I know I heard about this one night in Dec. 2019, went to WM the next day, and all handgun ammunition, .22 rimfire, and .223 and .308 ammo was gone. Over the next few months, all ammo was gone. Last I saw was a couple of lonely boxes of .350 Legend....
 
I don't know, but sure wish my local WallyWorld still carried ammo. Once that Walmart CEO announced they would stop carrying the nasty handgun caliber and black rifle ammunition, it disappeared from the local WM almost overnight. I know I heard about this one night in Dec. 2019, went to WM the next day, and all handgun ammunition, .22 rimfire, and .223 and .308 ammo was gone. Over the next few months, all ammo was gone. Last I saw was a couple of lonely boxes of .350 Legend....

The funny thing is they absolutely still carry 7.62x51mm M80 ball, but .223 Remington 55 gr JSP is verboten.
 
The funny thing is they absolutely still carry 7.62x51mm M80 ball, but .223 Remington 55 gr JSP is verboten.
Yup, lots of "hunting" rifles in .308 - but .223, not so much.
Plus AR pistols in .223 are relatively common and they decided not to carry "pistol" calibers.
Though that doesn't even make sense either - they still carry 22LR and there are a bazillion pistols in that caliber.
But of course nobody ever accused the woke and politically correct of being logical.
 
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Mine has plenty of .22 LR - I’ve been getting the 325 packs of Federal for $21. Not great, but not ridiculous like some places.

I made a killing when they were selling out their handgun ammo. I got .357 Sig for five bucks a box at one out of the way WM.
 
Walmart ammo shortage

Could Walmart just be trying to weasel out of the ammo business?
 
The funny thing is they absolutely still carry 7.62x51mm M80 ball, but .223 Remington 55 gr JSP is verboten.


I don't know, but sure wish my local WallyWorld still carried ammo. Once that Walmart CEO announced they would stop carrying the nasty handgun caliber and black rifle ammunition, it disappeared from the local WM almost overnight. I know I heard about this one night in Dec. 2019, went to WM the next day, and all handgun ammunition, .22 rimfire, and .223 and .308 ammo was gone. Over the next few months, all ammo was gone. Last I saw was a couple of lonely boxes of .350 Legend....

Knowledge, logic and common sense doesn’t really come into the decision making process, it’s all about media (mis)perception and how they think their actions will sway their customers.

Most Walmart customers don’t know guns, beyond what the media tells them. The .223 is the evil black rifle round reported by the media to have “devastating” terminal wound ballistics. Don’t get me wrong, a 55 gr FMJ arriving at 2800+ fps and consequently a tumbling and fragmenting does do a lot of damage - a lot more than say a 9mm FMJ - but really no worse than the venerable .30-30 Winchester delivering a 150 gr jacketed round nose bullet at 2300 fps. At a distance over about 150 yards, where the 55 gr FML is below 2600 fps and won’t tumble or fragment, I’d much rather get shot with it than I would pretty much any center fire hunting round from the .243 Win on up.

And of course if you are firing that same .223 55 gr FMJ out of a 10” or less barrel length pistol, it won’t tumble even at point blank range. And again, given a choice, I’d rather be shot with a 10” Contender in .223 than a 10” contender in .30-30.

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I was in South Dakota for a couple months in 2021 and I noted that Runnings had a steady stock of ammunition and primers at prices that were very close to pre pandemic shortage prices.

They had clearly made a chain wide management decision to not gouge customers, and to ensure they kept enough orders in the pipeline to maintain a steady supply of more common calibers.

The fact is that whole sale prices to retailers and local guns shops have only increased 10-15%. It’s the retailers using the shortage as pa justification to mark up their wholesale costs by around 300%.

You need to remember those retailers gouging us at the moment and shop elsewhere, not just now, but for *years* after this shortage is over.

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That uninformed media circus also does a great deal of harm.

A month or two ago NPR was interviewing an 8th grade girl who was complaining that adults didn’t understanding how it was to be afraid of going to school with the risk of school shootings. I had a few thoughts on this.

First, I went to school during the height of the Cold War and we lived in an area pockmarked with missile silos. We all carried 110 Buck knives, brought our .22 rifles to school for Show and Tell in grade school, and had rifles and shotguns in our cars on school grounds so we could go hunting right after school. We understood it wasn’t guns that went around killing people, and we all understood that nuclear war was at least a remote possibility.

Second, It occurred to me that her fear of school shootings was entirely media based. I looked at the numbers for school shootings in 2021, and found there were 15 deaths and 61 injuries nation wide in all duration settings including K-12, and post secondary institutions. That also including shootings on school grounds after hours, at school athletic events and shootings that were the result of bullets originating off school grounds (gang shootouts and drive by shootings in the neighborhood.

Again don’t take this wrong as it is indeed 15 deaths and 61 injuries too many. But that’s 15 deaths out of 48.1 million K-12 students. Broken down into school shooting deaths per 100,000 that’s just 0.031 per 100,000. That compares to a global average intentional homicide of 7.6 per 100,000 and a US intentional homicide rate of 5 per 100,000. .031 per 100,000 is 161 times less than 5 per 100,000.

Interestingly, I looked into the data on school bus deaths in the US, and it varies a bit year to year but has averaged 125 per year over the last decade. That’s a death by school bus rate of 0.260 per 100,000. That’s 8.4 times higher than deaths by school shooting.

Yet strongly, that 8th grader isn’t traumatized by riding an 8.4 times more deadly school bus, she worried about getting killed in school, when the odds of that are 15 in 48.1 million, or 1 in 3.2 million.

I have no doubt a fair percentage of the school bus deaths are related to roll over accidents and that we could probably save lives by putting seat belts on school busses, but it’s a low enough risk (no more than 1 in 384,800) that parents, legislatures and the media are not worried enough to demand installation of seat belts.

Yet they seem to think it’s imperative to ban assault weapons (the focus of the NPR segment).

Worse, they push that narrative despite the emotional harm it does to students. School boards and police departments are just complicit, convicting mass shooting drills in schools and traumatizing students in the process when the risk is decimal dust.

Getting back to Cold War students, we did duck and cover drills, but by the time I was in school, they’d figured out there was no upside to generating fear. They just tucked it into our normal severe weather drills. If there was a warning siren we all just filed out into the hall to get away from the windows. We were also told if something happened without warning (bright lighting flash, etc) just get under your desk and cover your head. Same effect, no nuclear war related trauma.

We need to stop letting the media feed off of us and our children and start demanding a little more common sense and a much more responsible approach to exercising first amendment rights, rather than further restricting second amendment rights.
 
IT was my understanding that Wally management made the decision (right or wrong) to discontinue any ammunition that would be used by an Assault Rifle (by their definition, obviously not right) OR by a handgun. Rimfire was not on the list.

My local Wally has certainly adhered to that policy.

BTW, was just in there today and the shelves were fully stocked with 22 LF.
 
Walmart and sams club have changed since there are no Waltons on the board. Typical of today, way to many “feel good”folks in charge.
 
I have always been astonished at the number of people who rave about Walmart as a source of ammo. That has not been my experience. I live in ammo-friendly Texas, and there are three Walmart supercenters within easy driving distance of my house. Even in the "good old days" when ammo was plentiful and cheap, none of them ever had a decent selection. Their shelves were always bare of any popular calibers. The only ammo I can ever remember buying there was a single box (all they had) of Remington .380 acp., for the low, low price of $20, only about 20% higher than I could find it elsewhere. I only bought it because I could. Even if they'd had some ammo I wanted, there was rarely anyone around to open the locked display cases. Maybe where the rest of you guys live, Walmart is a primo source for ammo. Where I live, it is the absolute pits.
 
Maybe where the rest of you guys live, Walmart is a primo source for ammo. Where I live, it is the absolute pits.

They were and are very inconsistent about what firearms stuff each store stocks. The one item locally they underprice the competition that I regularly load up on is the Winchester AA 12ga for busting clays. Combine with factory rebates for about $5 a box.



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My local Walmart has not had any or very little ammunition for quite some time. So I go in the other day and walk by the sporting goods section and I see several boxes in the case. I bought 5 boxes of 30-30 Winchester which has been pretty scarce. Also lots of 22 and other calibers I had no interest in.
 
I have always been astonished at the number of people who rave about Walmart as a source of ammo. That has not been my experience. I live in ammo-friendly Texas, and there are three Walmart supercenters within easy driving distance of my house. Even in the "good old days" when ammo was plentiful and cheap, none of them ever had a decent selection. Their shelves were always bare of any popular calibers. The only ammo I can ever remember buying there was a single box (all they had) of Remington .380 acp., for the low, low price of $20, only about 20% higher than I could find it elsewhere. I only bought it because I could. Even if they'd had some ammo I wanted, there was rarely anyone around to open the locked display cases. Maybe where the rest of you guys live, Walmart is a primo source for ammo. Where I live, it is the absolute pits.
They've never had the best selection.

What they were, was the biggest buyer of just about every item they sold. So if they WANTED to, they could set the market price on something, and squeeze competitors out of the equation.

It's an interesting predicament right now. They pulled out of the ammo biz because they deemed it wasn't worth the political headaches that kept coming in waves. I don't think there was anything more devious in their intent, it was simply that they could sell other **** and not have bad publicity hovering around them (more than they're used to).

But now ammo is a hot commodity. They could reverse their position (appealing to the blue collar folk that shop there), set the market price, and STILL make a tidy profit. And in the 2+ years since they pulled out, ammo is no longer "taboo", it's being bought by lots of new folks.
 
Interesting that they were one of the chains deemed "essential" while closing mom-and-pop stores during the plandemic. Interesting that they buy lots of stuff from China, always a friend to the current administration. Interesting that they started phasing out of ammo right about the exact time a big "shortage" hit. Nothing to see here, just coincidence.

To paraphrase Alfred E Newman, "What, me shop?" Not at Walmart...
 
Happened in 2019 after the mass shooting in the El Paso walmart. I miss being able to buy cheap 9mm and 223 with my nightcrawlers on the way to the mountains but I get it and don't think they'll be changing their minds
 
I don't do Business with Gun Hater company's including the 90% Made in China Walmart /K mart.
 
Interesting that they were one of the chains deemed "essential" while closing mom-and-pop stores during the plandemic. Interesting that they buy lots of stuff from China, always a friend to the current administration. Interesting that they started phasing out of ammo right about the exact time a big "shortage" hit. Nothing to see here, just coincidence.

To paraphrase Alfred E Newman, "What, me shop?" Not at Walmart...
Waffles is right about their timing. They got rid of pistol ammo and ammo for "black rifles" six months before anyone ever heard of COVID. I know because I bought as much as I could when they were closing it out.
As to the rest of it, too political to go into any further.
 
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