M&P40 questions

[M29since14]

I must have gotten the M&P40 1.0 FS with the worst trigger that ever left the factory. Before I bought it I had fired several different Glocks and was convinced it was not possible for any pistol to have worse triggers. In the case of my M&P, I was wrong - and by no small margin. But as Mr. Moore says, they didn't intend it for shooters interested in precision, and that likely explains why so many trigger components are available on the secondary market. Just make the darned trigger usable to start with! Finishing of metal parts is fully understood and with modern techniques not terribly expensive.

 

[Ruger Nut]

Here is a LE Trade in Glock Gen 4 G22 with 3 magazines, box, and all of the accessories for $384.99. There are others, just scroll down.
Also, do a Google Search "LE TRADE IN GUNS."
LE Trade-In Glock 22 Gen 4, .40 S&W, 3 Magazines, Grade 2

 

[Oldsalt66]

I was an early adopter of The M&P .40 and mine has been exemplary with good combat accuracy and perfect reliability.

In fact, no matter how I tried, I've found it impossible to introduce an intentional limp risk malfunction.

I prefer shooting 180 grain.

$399 for a NIB S&W.40 1.0 is an excellent price IMO.

 

[WR Moore]

While what you say about the M&P being designed as an LE duty sidearm is true, that doesn't excuse the abysmal triggers on the first generation guns. I spent a career as an LEO, and cannot think of any reason in the world why such a poor trigger would be considered a benefit for law enforcement use.

I do understand the benefit to a heavier trigger, and agree that a heavy, double action type trigger pull has its merits. But, the original M&P triggers weren't just heavy. They were gritty, they were long, they had a lack of discernible reset. They were just bad triggers. This is a widely universal opinion. If such triggers were desirable, other pistols intended for LE service would be equipped with similar triggers, and Smith & Wesson themselves would never have bothered to improve them in subsequent offerings.

When you speak of the M&P trigger being heavy, I have to wonder exactly when you entered law enforcement. Certainly after revolvers left the stage. I also have to question that your opinion is "widely universal" at least in LE. When we transitioned from 3rd generation to the M&P scores went up dramatically and there was a rush of folks running out to buy one for personal use that I've never seen/heard of before.

A lack of really positive reset isn't exactly unique, particularly service style handguns (see Browning High Power as just one example), one learns where the trigger has to go to reset. It isn't an objective obstacle to effective use. It is, however, something gamers and/or those with experience with certain other semis found disturbing. Which is why the 2.0 supposedly has a more typical trigger.

Personally, during service pistol trials, I found the transition from the short very heavy DA (certainly heavier than the M&P trigger) to very light, crisp SA pull on Sigs very distracting and detrimental to quick controlled pairs.

As I stated earlier, most of the grittyness works itself out. For those where it doesn't, that's what the S&W factory warranty is for.

 

[TXbug]

I have both the original M&P 40 and the M&P M2.0 40c. Both hold 15 rounds in the magazine. For the price, $399 for a NIB, I would get it before the M2.0. The trigger on my original M&P 40 was much better than other M&P models that I have or have tried. The trigger feel may vary between pistols.

 

[Tiribulus]

You can accomplish much the same thing by dry fire.

Or hand polishing

 

[The Mighty S&W]

When you speak of the M&P trigger being heavy, I have to wonder exactly when you entered law enforcement. Certainly after revolvers left the stage. I also have to question that your opinion is "widely universal" at least in LE. When we transitioned from 3rd generation to the M&P scores went up dramatically and there was a rush of folks running out to buy one for personal use that I've never seen/heard of before.

A lack of really positive reset isn't exactly unique, particularly service style handguns (see Browning High Power as just one example), one learns where the trigger has to go to reset. It isn't an objective obstacle to effective use. It is, however, something gamers and/or those with experience with certain other semis found disturbing. Which is why the 2.0 supposedly has a more typical trigger.

Personally, during service pistol trials, I found the transition from the short very heavy DA (certainly heavier than the M&P trigger) to very light, crisp SA pull on Sigs very distracting and detrimental to quick controlled pairs.

As I stated earlier, most of the grittyness works itself out. For those where it doesn't, that's what the S&W factory warranty is for.

I entered law enforcement in 2001. So yes, the revolver days were over. Many of my years as an LEO were spent carrying issued SIG Sauer P220 .45 ACP pistols, which had a heavier double action pull than the trigger on the M&P, and we most certainly complained about them. Many other agencies around me were issuing Glock pistols which I would definitely say were viewed as having a better trigger than any DA/SA setup, and significantly better than the original M&P pistols.

When I talk about the M&P trigger however, I am not comparing it to the antiques and relics that came before it, but with other modern pistols currently being fielded by law enforcement agencies. When compared to the M2.0 M&P's, the entire line of Glock pistols, the SIG P320, the H&K VP9, the Springfield XDM, the CZ P10, and the Walter PPQ, the trigger on the original M&P is substandard. The fact that a user can learn to live with it does not make it a good trigger.

 

[Ruger Nut]

This is one of my favorite LE Trade in M&P 1.0 .40 calibers. It was unissued from the Detroit PD. It came with the black plastic box, 3-15 rd. magazines, night sights, etc.
I paid $299 for it from BUD'S GUNS.

 

[WR Moore]

I entered law enforcement in 2001. So yes, the revolver days were over. Many of my years as an LEO were spent carrying issued SIG Sauer P220 .45 ACP pistols, which had a heavier double action pull than the trigger on the M&P, and we most certainly complained about them.

Ah, I don't know this as fact, but it appeared to many of us that the M&P 1.0 trigger was meant to be a modern rendition of a superbly tuned competition grade double action revolver. Since you mention Glock, the LE focus groups that established the parameters of the M&P 1.0 distinctly did NOT want the Glock trigger and the many negligent discharges associated with it. They were also quite clear that the phrase "pull the trigger" didn't belong in field stripping directions. Thus the sear deactivation lever.

While a short travel, quick reset light trigger may be a joy on the firing range, it's not necessarily a "good trigger" for use under stress. After all, the 1911 earned it's stellar rep with a trigger in the 6 lb+ area and most often wasn't crisp.

The 2.0 was driven by both the DOD service pistol trials and market forces that wanted a different trigger feel. Doesn't mean the 1.0 isn't a suitable defensive handgun.

 

[Ruger Nut]

Ah, I don't know this as fact, but it appeared to many of us that the M&P 1.0 trigger was meant to be a modern rendition of a superbly tuned competition grade double action revolver. Since you mention Glock, the LE focus groups that established the parameters of the M&P 1.0 distinctly did NOT want the Glock trigger and the many negligent discharges associated with it. They were also quite clear that the phrase "pull the trigger" didn't belong in field stripping directions. Thus the sear deactivation lever.

While a short travel, quick reset light trigger may be a joy on the firing range, it's not necessarily a "good trigger" for use under stress. After all, the 1911 earned it's stellar rep with a trigger in the 6 lb+ area and most often wasn't crisp.

The 2.0 was driven by both the DOD service pistol trials and market forces that wanted a different trigger feel. Doesn't mean the 1.0 isn't a suitable defensive handgun.

All (5) of my LE Trade in M&P 1.0 .40's have an APEX trigger in them. The hinged trigger went out in the caveman era.

 

[RUT]

>>All (5) of my LE Trade in M&P 1.0 .40's have an APEX trigger in them.<<

And there you have it, problem solved!

 

[gnappi]

I know ZIP about the 1.0 mine is a 2.0.

I don't think the $550 I paid for mine is too much to spend extra over a 1.0.

But going forward I think that as long as the design is frozen (no incompatible 3.0 in the future) The 2.0 on that alone is worth the uplift if aftermarket part makers ramp up to make upgrades

 

[Ruger Nut]

I know ZIP about the 1.0 mine is a 2.0.

I don't think the $550 I paid for mine is too much to spend extra over a 1.0.

But going forward I think that as long as the design is frozen (no incompatible 3.0 in the future) The 2.0 on that alone is worth the uplift if aftermarket part makers ramp up to make upgrades

When the 2.0 M&P Compact .40 came out my son bought a NIB from Sportsman Warehouse for $379 & FREE shipping.

 

[gnappi]

When the 2.0 M&P Compact .40 came out my son bought a NIB from Sportsman Warehouse for $379 & FREE shipping.

We're in a price pee on your leg I'm a far better shopper competition? Really?

Mine is a 5" with a TS, I could have had a useless (for me) compact cheaper, But if you look around TODAY I don't see M&P's at $379 OTD lucky you.

 

[Ruger Nut]

We're in a price pee on your leg I'm a far better shopper competition? Really?

Mine is a 5" with a TS, I could have had a useless (for me) compact cheaper, But if you look around TODAY I don't see M&P's at $379 OTD lucky you.

Not at all. I was just stating that they were a very low price when they 1st came out. You just missed the sale.

 

[The Mighty S&W]

Not at all. I was just stating that they were a very low price when they 1st came out. You just missed the sale.

You certainly got an exceptional deal. Even at their current asking prices, the M2.0 guns represent an excellent value. I sure do wish that I had gotten the opportunity to carry mine as a duty weapon prior to retirement. From my perspective, it is a near perfect service pistol.

 

[Ruger Nut]

We're in a price pee on your leg I'm a far better shopper competition? Really?

Mine is a 5" with a TS, I could have had a useless (for me) compact cheaper, But if you look around TODAY I don't see M&P's at $379 OTD lucky you.

If you want a great pistol, go for a LE TRADE IN. I currently have (6), but have had up to (11) at one time. Do a GOOGLE search by entering, "LE TRADE IN GUNS" and hold on!

 

[STORMINORMAN]

IMHO, a nib trumps almost any trade-in... Unless unissued, that is!

Just an opinion.

Cheers!

 

[Saablook]

This is one of my favorite LE Trade in M&P 1.0 .40 calibers. It was unissued from the Detroit PD. It came with the black plastic box, 3-15 rd. magazines, night sights, etc.
I paid $299 for it from BUD'S GUNS.

I got DPD 1469 from AIM, no box, one magazine, as issued, dirty, but no abnormal wear two weeks ago. Paid almost 400 after shipping and FFL fees..I'm a retired Fed, born in the D, glad to have it, as I missed out on the DPD Glocks.