The Russians have gone in

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If the pride of Russia's
missile cruiser fleet was
hit by Ukraine fire,
look for the rest of the
fleet to "retreat" beyond
the horizon.

In several postings, I have
been hoping for the
appearance of shore to
sea Ukraine missiles.

Supposedly Russia has
mined sections of the Black
Sea. Funny if one of their
warships falls victim to one.
 
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If the pride of Russia's
missile cruiser fleet was
hit by Ukraine fire,
look for the rest of the
fleet to "retreat" beyond
the horizon.

In several postings, I have
been hoping for the
appearance of shore to
sea Ukraine missiles.

Supposedly Russia has
mined sections of the Black
Sea. Funny if one of their
warships falls victim to one.

The Russians have admitted to 420 of the sea mines they placed at Ukrainian ports, breaking loose in a storm and drifting free across the black sea. Several have been seen floating in the waters of other Black Sea nations.
 
The Moskva is a 40 year-old ship. It's hard enough under the best of circumstances to maintain a ship that's been sitting in salt water that long, but when you combine that with typical Russian maintenance standards, damage control after the missiles hit must have been close to impossible. Even if it doesn't sink, it's likely a write-off.
 
The Moskva is a 40 year-old ship. It's hard enough under the best of circumstances to maintain a ship that's been sitting in salt water that long, but when you combine that with typical Russian maintenance standards, damage control after the missiles hit must have been close to impossible. Even if it doesn't sink, it's likely a write-off.
According to Reuters, they're towing it back to port for repairs
Russia says damaged warship to be towed back to port

"Russia's defense ministry did not acknowledge the ship was attacked and said the cause of the fire was under investigation"
 
As of the news a few minutes ago, the unverified suspicion is that the sinking resulted from a strike from an anti-ship missile fired by the Ukranians. Guess we'll have to wait to find out the true story.

Something else was mentioned on the same broadcast that the Ukranians may be using technology to immediately locate artillery positions when they fire so anti-artillery weapons can be deployed on them quickly - Switchblades, maybe? Seems like sound detection and ranging (SODAR) equipment.
 
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Muskva Russian guided missile cruiser

At this point, news reports about both the cause and extent of the damage to the "Muskva" are all over the place.
To date the Russian army's performance has not been impressive. I'm curious how the crew of the ship performed with respect to damage control efforts which require virtually all hands. Should be a good indication of training and discipline.
Kevin
 
... the Ukranians may be using technology to immediately locate artillery positions when they fire so anti-artillery weapons can be deployed on them quickly ...

I believe at least a week ago the U.S.
announced it was sending such
detection devices.
 
As of the news a few minutes ago, the unverified suspicion is that the sinking resulted from a strike from an anti-ship missile fired by the Ukranians. Guess we'll have to wait to find out the true story....
Good news, if true :D According to Deutsche Welle at 21:44 GMT:

Russia says its Black Sea flagship 'Moskva' has sunk
Russia's Defense Ministry said the warship sank while being towed to port after suffering damage from a fire. Ukraine earlier said it had struck the ship with missiles.​

Note to Kremlin staff: Do NOT be caught humming "Bewitched, bothered and bewildered" in Putin's presence :eek:
 
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I knew a veteran officer who was working with counterbattery radar in France during WWII. It has been around, and yes they should have some. Shoot and scoot, or else.
Oh, one day he reported something impossible high and fast, and it turned out to be one of the first V2s. Glad I got to meet those guys.
 
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