keith44spl
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The folks that I attend church with knows I’m retired leo
They expect me to be prepared, and I am.
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They expect me to be prepared, and I am.
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"Take your gun to church" - fascinating opinion enjoining a piece of NYS legislation
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The federal, state, and local governments and judicial cannot ban guns in places of worship. That violates the separation of church and state.
Remind me, where does the phrase "separation of church and state" appear in the Constitution . . . ?
CAJUNLAWYER
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I will not carry a gun into my church. Just won't do it. Church is a sacred place for me. If I gotta die-can't think of a better place or time than during a mass.
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i carry wherever whenever i don't let state law, signs on buildings, and "gun free zones" deter me. they make micro compacts slim and small for a reason. the only thing that would stop me are the metal detectors at government buildings. then i just wear my bullet proof vest and a nice sharp pen with me.
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I was carrying when I got married in church, as were my groomsmen. My wife would have been as well, but the dress was not conducive to CCW. We were both LEO at the time, now retired. We both still carry...about everywhere (Idaho is great! But please don't move here.).
Protected One
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In Michigan, concealed carry is only permitted in churches and places of worship if the head official has stated that it's allowed.
I have a letter, signed by my pastor, stating that I have permission to carry in church or on church property.
There is no telling when or where an attack may occur. Why take chances? Be armed everywhere that you're legally allowed.
I have a letter, signed by my pastor, stating that I have permission to carry in church or on church property.
There is no telling when or where an attack may occur. Why take chances? Be armed everywhere that you're legally allowed.
This is in response to CAJUNLAWYER.
I am not thinking of myself when I CCW in church. I am thinking about my bride and all the other congregants, most of whom are old.
The closest I have ever come to drawing my concealed firearm was to protect a third person, completely unknown to me, who was about to assaulted by a far larger assailant armed with a motorcycle chain. I had walked towards this confrontation, which was moving at low speed as the victim was trying to back away in a closed area where he had no escape opportunity. Fortunately San Francisco PD rolled up just as I was about to draw and confront the assailant. All I had to do then was walk away, but it was a very close call.
I am long retired from LE. But the instinct to protect is still there and always will be. For that purpose I need to carry.
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My opinion is yes, members of the security team would be protected. That said, the definition of an insured is clearly stated early on in any/all contracts of insurance; so as the little sticker on the first page of the policy very likely says, "PLEASE READ YOUR POLICY".
As an aside, it is also my opinion, if the security teams were deemed to be not covered by the basic contract, it would be a small matter (likely at no charge) to have the contract altered to provide such coverage.
Ralph Tremaine
I have given talks to various groups at our church on U.S military firearms, and in the process displayed the guns themselves in the church. Cleared it in advance with the pastor - "Just be sure they are unloaded for handling."
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I still can't comprehend how any lawmaker can argue that they are constitutionally allowed to bar guns in churches. Churches are private property, owned by the members. They're telling people they can't be armed on their own property.
Pisgah
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My circuit-riding preacher of a great grandfather customarily took his revolver out of his pocket and laid it on the pulpit before he began the service.
Since I do not fear guns, nor ascribe ill intent to them I fail to see a problem or issue with law abiding congregants carrying a firearm.
Do you ascribe the same concern/opinion with general CCW?
You're reading waaaaay too much into my comment. The town I live in has a population of 1200. We have 3 churches. I fear being struck by lightning more than I fear a gun incident in church. All I said was that I pity anyone who lives where they feel a need to carry a gun to church. I do not fear guns, nor ascribe ill intent to them. I never said I saw a problem with law abiding congregants carrying a firearm. And since I never said I had any concern with anything, its safe to assume I have no concern with general CCW. Again...all I said...was that I pity anyone who lives where they feel a need to carry a gun in church. Contrary to what some feel, NOT carrying a gun does not automatically mean someone is against carrying a gun. .
The same way they dictate what you can carry on a privately owned airplane.
It's not about feeling the need to carry specifically in church. It is about being prepared regardless of where you are.
To somorris: I don’t understand your last statement “if the church didn’t know who was armed and some crazy started shooting”. Please explain.
A local church has a security team and posted a sign that said “No Guns allowed, we have a security team” or words to that affect.
They also announce at start of service if you are carrying to not draw your gun so the security team doesn’t shoot you by accident if there is an incident. They have around 15 posted at different spots throughout the church with a congregation of over 500.
You may consider taking down your existing sign and putting up one similar to the one mentioned above. Just Sayen.
A “No Gun” sign is an invitation to as you put it “some crazy” coming to church and doing unspeakable things. Just my 2 cents !
A local church has a security team and posted a sign that said “No Guns allowed, we have a security team” or words to that affect.
They also announce at start of service if you are carrying to not draw your gun so the security team doesn’t shoot you by accident if there is an incident. They have around 15 posted at different spots throughout the church with a congregation of over 500.
You may consider taking down your existing sign and putting up one similar to the one mentioned above. Just Sayen.
A “No Gun” sign is an invitation to as you put it “some crazy” coming to church and doing unspeakable things. Just my 2 cents !
Baltimoreed11754
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I remember when I was a teenager, my Lutheran church had a ‘Come as you work’ Sunday where parishioners were encouraged to wear their work clothes to church that particular day. I remember the kickback when a police officer wore his uniform and sidearm that day. Of course this was the 1970s, a whole different world. I edc everywhere that I can legally.
I was actually responding to what you said. Now that you explained it and provided details about where you live your post makes much more sense.
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