Epic Shotgun Shell Failure
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LDM
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Must be one of those heat-seeking high-explosive rounds that one politician was ranting about a few years ago. And don't forget the proximity fuse. Those goodies all add up.
Looks like a piece of junk to me.
If factory, new...............
get your money back, one way or another.
I don't even like how the brass base looks.............. !!
If factory, new...............
get your money back, one way or another.
I don't even like how the brass base looks.............. !!
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Paying $15 for each shell brings to mind a scene in a early 60's Peter Sellers movie: "the man who designed this rack should have his head examined."
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Oscar Zulu
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The new ‘thing” among turkey hunters is using fairly heavy loads of tiny TSS shot, 7’s, 8’s and even 9’s. They turn (reportedly) even a .410 into a turkey hammer even at long range. They are very expensive!
The only use of them I have personally experienced was duck hunting with my cousin. An 1 1/8oz #9 hand load was…… very effective. He said he got the shot directly from China, and his reloads still cost him more than 2$. He finished both a Pintail and a Snow goose swimming at what had to be 70+ yards. Swimming waterfowl are much more difficult to kill than flying birds.
A bit of a thread drift, but an attempt to explain the 15$ shell price.
OZ
The only use of them I have personally experienced was duck hunting with my cousin. An 1 1/8oz #9 hand load was…… very effective. He said he got the shot directly from China, and his reloads still cost him more than 2$. He finished both a Pintail and a Snow goose swimming at what had to be 70+ yards. Swimming waterfowl are much more difficult to kill than flying birds.
A bit of a thread drift, but an attempt to explain the 15$ shell price.
OZ
A lot has to due with the density of the pellet.......
as to how much energy it will carry at a known distance, plus
the correct choke to get a pattern that will kill at that distance
and not just wound or cripple birds, that my become lost.
Lead pellets are rated at 11.3 grains/cc
Hevi shot is rated at ..... 12.0
Nice shot .................... 13.0 and the best.....
Tungsten super shot at... 18.0 g/cc
which is why it is so expensive.
A little #7-9 pellet has as much energy as a #4 Heavy pellet and
have twice as many pellets in the pattern.
Two pounds of TSS cost around $109..........
and most people do not waste it in 1 1/8 oz. payloads, due to the cost.
Fast 7/8 or "Mag" 1 oz. loads will usually fill the bill for bird hunting.
as to how much energy it will carry at a known distance, plus
the correct choke to get a pattern that will kill at that distance
and not just wound or cripple birds, that my become lost.
Lead pellets are rated at 11.3 grains/cc
Hevi shot is rated at ..... 12.0
Nice shot .................... 13.0 and the best.....
Tungsten super shot at... 18.0 g/cc
which is why it is so expensive.
A little #7-9 pellet has as much energy as a #4 Heavy pellet and
have twice as many pellets in the pattern.
Two pounds of TSS cost around $109..........
and most people do not waste it in 1 1/8 oz. payloads, due to the cost.
Fast 7/8 or "Mag" 1 oz. loads will usually fill the bill for bird hunting.
Oscar Zulu
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Neveda Ed,
great explanation! I found out what TSS stands for. In hindsight I believe my cousin was using lighter than 1 1/8 loads. What brought it to my attention was the amount of wadding, carding, etc that was all over the pond.I think he put them in for spacing.
Maybe the hunter referred to in the original post didn’t quite get the formula right. My cousin’s loads look complicated. A 3 1/2” TSS going off would like a confetti cannon……
OZ
great explanation! I found out what TSS stands for. In hindsight I believe my cousin was using lighter than 1 1/8 loads. What brought it to my attention was the amount of wadding, carding, etc that was all over the pond.I think he put them in for spacing.
Maybe the hunter referred to in the original post didn’t quite get the formula right. My cousin’s loads look complicated. A 3 1/2” TSS going off would like a confetti cannon……
OZ
I know idiots that have ruined the choke by firing ringed shells through them. A few years ago I saw a video entitled “ The Art Of Ringed Shells” a YouTube idiot saw a old reference to ringing and thought he uncovered a
“Lost Art”. I have seen many shells separate from over use. That particular shell looks rode hard. You would think a specialized performance company would use new hulls.
“Lost Art”. I have seen many shells separate from over use. That particular shell looks rode hard. You would think a specialized performance company would use new hulls.
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Saw something like that on the job. We were supposed to clear the issued Remington 870 at the start of each shift and confirm that they were in ready condition. I did so religiously, others not so much. Besides finding cigar butts and candy wrappers in the barrels, one night I had a shell separate above the base in about the same location when I removed it from the magazine. Too many trips through the action.
On the Remingtons there was a technique for removing shells from the magazine without cycling the action. Most just racked the slide. In this fellow's case I can see him loading and unloading the gun at the beginning and end of each hunt. How long has he had these expensive shells and how many hunts have they logged?
On the Remingtons there was a technique for removing shells from the magazine without cycling the action. Most just racked the slide. In this fellow's case I can see him loading and unloading the gun at the beginning and end of each hunt. How long has he had these expensive shells and how many hunts have they logged?
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It sounds high, but recently I was shopping for .410 shells for my Grandson's new pump gun, and ran across these Federal Turkey loads....
Buy HEAVYWEIGHT TSS for USD 42.99 | Federal Ammunition
Cost was $42.99 for 5 shells (yes, that's qty. 5), so high performance turkey loads at $15.00 each doesn't sound out of place.....
Wow, it's cheaper to buy a dead turkey at Walmart than to shoot one with this new breed of shells....
Talk about "marketing".... %^&^%$...
The reason I’ve never been big on Turkey hunting in Ohio is that you have to use a shotgun. Much more fun to hunt them with real Turkey guns 25/20 & 32/20 rifles. We have a local who kills his bird every year with a single barrel 410 with a home made call, while wearing Hawiian print shirt with one of those straw hats with beer opener and rubber lizard. Makes Cabelas Comnandos look bad.
In a huge 12 Ga., you only need a 2 3/4" hull for shooting TSS.
With a 18 g/cc of its pellets, a .410 can kill 24 pound Honkers
if you can get them to fly over.
Turkeys at 40 yards are a sure bet "Guarreenty", DRT.
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