The Russians have gone in

[oldbrownhat]

Report from NY Times indicates
US intel assisted Ukraine in
locating Russian generals on
the battlefronts, resulting in
the generals' deaths.

Ukraine claims it has felled
12 generals.

Yup. From the article:

WASHINGTON — The United States has provided intelligence about Russian units that has allowed Ukrainians to target and kill many of the Russian generals who have died in action in the Ukraine war, according to senior American officials.
Ukrainian officials said they have killed approximately 12 generals on the front lines, a number that has astonished military analysts.

The targeting help is part of a classified effort by the Biden administration to provide real-time battlefield intelligence to Ukraine. That intelligence also includes anticipated Russian troop movements gleaned from recent American assessments of Moscow's secret battle plan for the fighting in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, the officials said. Officials declined to specify how many generals had been killed as a result of U.S. assistance.

The United States has focused on providing the location and other details about the Russian military's mobile headquarters, which relocate frequently. Ukrainian officials have combined that geographic information with their own intelligence — including intercepted communications that alert the Ukrainian military to the presence of senior Russian officers — to conduct artillery strikes and other attacks that have killed Russian officers....​

Everyone speaking anonymously, of course.

 

[ACORN]

Yup. From the article:

WASHINGTON — The United States has provided intelligence about Russian units that has allowed Ukrainians to target and kill many of the Russian generals who have died in action in the Ukraine war, according to senior American officials.
Ukrainian officials said they have killed approximately 12 generals on the front lines, a number that has astonished military analysts.

The targeting help is part of a classified effort by the Biden administration to provide real-time battlefield intelligence to Ukraine. That intelligence also includes anticipated Russian troop movements gleaned from recent American assessments of Moscow's secret battle plan for the fighting in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, the officials said. Officials declined to specify how many generals had been killed as a result of U.S. assistance.

The United States has focused on providing the location and other details about the Russian military's mobile headquarters, which relocate frequently. Ukrainian officials have combined that geographic information with their own intelligence — including intercepted communications that alert the Ukrainian military to the presence of senior Russian officers — to conduct artillery strikes and other attacks that have killed Russian officers....​

Everyone speaking anonymously, of course.

Doesn't disclosing this work against us?
But then, it is The NY Times.

 

[UncleEd]

Doesn't disclosing this work against us?
But then, it is The NY Times.

NO!

The US from the very beginning
has been extremely open about
announcing intel on Russia. It
has been letting Putin and his
military know we can track the
moves in Russia and Ukraine.

If anything, the NYT is willingly
helping US policy in this case.
As arguably the leading influential
newspaper in the US, the
government probably "leaks"
such info but still maintaining
the aura of deniability if it
wishes.

And Putin keeps wondering just
who the heck is betraying him
and his military.

 

[PALADIN85020]

NO!

The US from the very beginning
has been extremely open about
announcing intel on Russia. It
has been letting Putin and his
military know we can track the
moves in Russia and Ukraine.

If anything, the NYT is willingly
helping US policy in this case.
As arguably the leading influential
newspaper in the US, the
government probably "leaks"
such info but still maintaining
the aura of deniability if it
wishes.

And Putin keeps wondering just
who the heck is betraying him
and his military.

I suspect that our strategic satellite imaging systems are providing a lot of useful info to locate certain types of formations on the ground. Probably good enough to read shoulder boards.

John

 

[ladder13]

Rusty's picture doesn't show her Any face on, but I've seen warmer eyes on a cod that's been on the fishmonger's slab for a week. Scary.

At least she doesn't look like maybe her husbands grandma.

 

[biku324]

I suspect that our strategic satellite imaging systems are providing a lot of useful info to locate certain types of formations on the ground. Probably good enough to read shoulder boards.

John

Particularly when there are large electronic signatures.

 

[UncleEd]

Q

And don't forget cell phone
interceptions. The Russian
military phones aren't
great and use of cell phones
by Russian troops, officers
has opened the door to info.

At a forward NSA listening
station---ping, ping, ping:
"Hello, this is General
Yumkov. Please send
immediately a case of
vodka and a box of
chocolates to my new
HQ in......"

 

[Rudi]

Uncle Sam is listening all over the world. Any terrorist who's not using couriers has no secrets.

 

[CH4]

The world's meanest flight attendant.

I am up for a little turbulence.

 

[ladder13]

I am up for a little turbulence.

Make her a mod for a week.

 

[Catwrangler]

I hadn't known the Little Kim's daughter was working as a flight attendant, the they both seem cast from the same mold. And I AM NOT stereotyping .

 

[rock doc]

Rusty's picture doesn't show her face on, but I've seen warmer eyes on a cod that's been on the fishmonger's slab for a week. Scary.

Come on, man. Slap some makeup on her, blue eyeshadow, red lipstick, and........... she's still evil.

 

[Absalom]

I read a really interesting article the other day.

It referenced a quite prescient study from last fall, before the war, in which the author argued convincingly that information technology had swung the advantage decisively toward the defense in modern war.

World War I favored the defense because the new tools back then, the machine gun, explosives, barbed wire, mostly assisted the defender, which turned all offensive operations into costly slaughter even when they "succeeded".

By World War II, two factors shifted the advantage to the offense: aviation and armor. The possibilities of combined operations made that war largely a war of motion, with just a few notable exceptions like the three-year siege of Leningrad. Post-WW II conventional wars, like the Arab-Israeli wars especially 1967 and 1973, as well as Desert Storm and the 2003 Iraq war, followed the same pattern. Fully mechanized infantry enhanced the speed of battlefield movements and modifications.

But what we're seeing in Ukraine is in a way a reversal of that offensive advantage through information. Surveillance in real time through drones, satellites, even cell phone networks makes movement itself the Achilles heel. A tank, a column of trucks, a unit, a helicopter moves, and it comes alive on sensors and screens and becomes a target.

In the air, radar has had this effect since WW II, and has motivated work on stealth technology for several decades. What kills so many Russian tanks in Ukraine is that the Ukrainians have the information resources of radar, but on the ground.

Stealth technology for tanks isn't there yet.

 

[boykinlp]

Doesn't disclosing this work against us?
But then, it is The NY Times.

I think it does, but what do I know? To me, if his Generals kept getting killed and Putin had no idea why, he would be questioning everything and suspecting everybody! I think that would have been a good thing.
Larry

 

[CH4]

Make her a mod for a week.

She'd probably be a little more flexible

 

[biku324]

Sounds like 'fragging' may become a Ruskie thing.

Some Russian soldiers in Ukraine have been rebelling against their generals, or teetering on the edge of rebellion and taking active steps aimed at halting the offensive, according to calls Ukraine says it has intercepted from Russian troops and commanders.

Russian Soldiers in Ukraine Rebel Against Their Generals

 

[Rudi]

It makes sense.

 

[Greyman50]

Basic problem, Putin and most of his Generals are of the old KGB thought process, most of his " troops" are not. Younger ones have " seen the light" regarding how most of the world is. TV, video games, cell phones, and computer use. nuf sed

 

[ACORN]

I just read the Russian warship Admiral Makarov is on fire in the Black Sea near Snake Island after a Neptune missile strike.

Russian frigate Admiral Makarov 'on fire after being hit by Ukrainian missile' | The Independent

 

[UncleEd]

On CNN this morning, Pentagon
spokesman John Kirby expressed
dismay at reports that US intel
had a hand in sinking Russian
flagship or killing of its generals.

Then he told how US does assist
Ukraine with intel BUT has no
input as to what Kyiv does with
the info or what decisions it
makes. He added that the US
intel service isn't the only
such service providing info.
Other Western allies do so
as well.

So it is the usual game of
plausible denialbility when at
the same time the Kremlin
knows full well the US is
actively aiding Ukraine with
intel reports.