DWalt
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R and D senators have reached a gun bill compromise announced a few minutes ago. Not as bad as I expected. Do a search for the WaPo article.
Senate Gun Bill Compromise Reached
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Like the fact that it provdes funding for mental illness. Anyone who picks up a weapon to kill schoolkids is mentally ill, and we need the resources to identify the dangerous and lock them down by any means neccessary before they act.
As to the general murder rate in cities often used as some sort of comparison, if we were able to protect schoolkids so not one of them was ever murdered in their classrom again, that would not change the murder rate in this country. Been that way since day one and will never change.
As to the general murder rate in cities often used as some sort of comparison, if we were able to protect schoolkids so not one of them was ever murdered in their classrom again, that would not change the murder rate in this country. Been that way since day one and will never change.
SAFireman
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No text has been released yet.....just a press release touting some rough ideas.
I would imagine the House version is quite a bit different?
I would imagine the House version is quite a bit different?
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November is not far off…….
Pointblank2U
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The problem with red flag laws are the "ex parte" initial hearings. They take your guns based on hearsay. You have to prove at a second hearing that you are sane to get your guns back. You have to pay your own attorney fees. The whole setup opens the door to revenge by personal enemies and harassment in anti-gun locales.
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DWalt
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The Senate will still need to come up with a bill and pass it. Then the House and Senate will have to reconcile differences before a final vote. It will probably take awhile and many bad features could find their way into the final bill.
fiasconva
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I agree with Badge130. Red Flag laws could be a major concern with someone's due process rights. Let's see how the final draft addresses that part.
Why not start punishing criminals for the crimes they commit instead of the law-abiding for obeying the law? All Congress is doing is working to make crime a safer profession!
Pointblank2U
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What they ought to do, but won't, is to impose criminal penalties for agencies and personnel who do not enter information into the background database to prevent known mentally dangerous people from being able to buy a firearm.
Geronimo Jim
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Never underestimate the Republicans ability to snatch defeat
from the jaws of victory.
from the jaws of victory.
Ingramite
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I think now might be a good time to divest my Blockbuster stock shares and reinvest in magazines of the evil persuasion. It might be a hot market until the wrinkles are ironed out of this straight jacket.
While I agree in part, that stronger mental health should be a focus. I disagree with attempting to enact red flag laws in which a person accused but later found "innocent" has no recourse.
I also agree with other members that agencies should be required by law to enter the information in a timely manner to prevent mentally unstable people, who have been adjudicated mentally ill, to prohibit them from purchasing firearms.
That said, I have little faith in anyone in Congress to not pass a law that infringes on the rights of Americans.
I also agree with other members that agencies should be required by law to enter the information in a timely manner to prevent mentally unstable people, who have been adjudicated mentally ill, to prohibit them from purchasing firearms.
That said, I have little faith in anyone in Congress to not pass a law that infringes on the rights of Americans.
kbm6893
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Yep. Include free legal representation, a hearing within 48 hours, and criminal and civil penalties for malicious or petty accusations and I’d be fine with them. And quite frankly, if a Republican or NRA spokesperson agreed to red flag laws using those parameters, it would buy them a lot of good will from the general public and make the democrats look like the bad guy.
But they won’t. They’ll just keep repeating “from my cold dead hands” over and over.
Yes, this is all true.
It's somewhat analogous to "shall issue" vs. "may issue". Vague language that empowers bureaucrats with discretionary power is what I would call a "Red Flag"!
bushmaster1313
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Any link to what the NRA is saying?
NDAR15MAN
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I am not married but I can see a ex-wife putting the screws to husband or ex boy friends. It will get to the point you will never be able to tell any one about your hobby. No relation , no friends , no people at work , no people at church. You had better not mention you have firearms. This well have to be your best kept secret from every living human. It will be Neigbor against Neigbor. Your dog takes a **** on your neighbors lawn and he don’t like it get ready to loose your guns. You watch. MD
venomballistics
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Yes, and in that, gun ownership can become a liability.
However, a counter movement in this proposed law holds penalties for abuse of red flag laws.
We'll see what shakes out
The House has already passed a gun ban bill. If the new Senate bill passes they would have to send both bills to "conference." The resulting compromise bill could not be filibustered and would pass on a majority vote in both houses.
This is just a backdoor pathway to a gun ban that would not be able to pass the Senate by itself.
This is just a backdoor pathway to a gun ban that would not be able to pass the Senate by itself.
bushmaster1313
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I read that the NRA is reserving comment till it sees the text.
Smart
As to what is being reported, we need to see in the final text:
A) If there is language and findings regarding red flag laws that will make it easier to infringe the 2A.
B) What is meant by cracking down on straw purchases
C) What is meant by enhanced background checks for 18-21 year olds to purchase so-called assault weapons.
D) the definition of “assault weapon,” a definition that could have implications beyond this legislation.
I would also like to see what the pro-2A side is getting in the compromise. IMHO I can think of several things:
1) Nationwide carrry permit for those able to pass a NICS check and take a basic handgun safety class.
2) Allow mailing handguns through the mail.
3) Establish through legislation that the right to keep and bear arms includes the right of ordinary individuals to keep and bear outside the home for self defense.
4) Establish a program to reunite Smith & Wesson revolver frames with their serial numbered grips
Smart
As to what is being reported, we need to see in the final text:
A) If there is language and findings regarding red flag laws that will make it easier to infringe the 2A.
B) What is meant by cracking down on straw purchases
C) What is meant by enhanced background checks for 18-21 year olds to purchase so-called assault weapons.
D) the definition of “assault weapon,” a definition that could have implications beyond this legislation.
I would also like to see what the pro-2A side is getting in the compromise. IMHO I can think of several things:
1) Nationwide carrry permit for those able to pass a NICS check and take a basic handgun safety class.
2) Allow mailing handguns through the mail.
3) Establish through legislation that the right to keep and bear arms includes the right of ordinary individuals to keep and bear outside the home for self defense.
4) Establish a program to reunite Smith & Wesson revolver frames with their serial numbered grips
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Another radical idea: investigate, arrest and prosecute prohibited persons who are denied during the NICS check before they find a straw purchaser or buy on the black market.
